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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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You don't have to be "far right" or "nationalistic" to not want to destroy your economy

If your economy is entirely dependent on a doomed industry, maybe, instead of artificially keeping it alive, focus on modernising that economy instead?

Pretty weird to describe "food" as a doomed industry.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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If your economy is entirely dependent on a doomed industry, maybe, instead of artificially keeping it alive, focus on modernising that economy instead?

I'm sorry but Italy produces some of my favourite foods, I find it ridiculous to call this a doomed industry. Italy has basically developed some of the best foods for humanity through hundreds of years of craftsmanship, from parmesan to mozarella to pasta, or crudo ham. If anything this should be protected just from a heritage perspective, like you protect an ancient castle or temple. This might mean that food is mor…

> We don't have to burn everything good and old to the ground to make way for tech bros of HN creating fake meat.

No. But maybe we can become a species smart enough to avoid the suffering of other beings just for the joy of eating something that tastes nice.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Yeah, allowing Monsanto or other seed tyrants to operate with impunity is not indicative of protecting "food heritage." This is just another example of an old but still powerful industry attacking what it perceives as a threat. The same sort of thing happened to absinthe in France, and that campaign was so successful absinthe became taboo for over a century.

GMO banning is another example of protectionism masquerading as something else. The demonization of Monsanto is diagnostic of the derangement/dishonesty.

Being against Monsanto != being against GMOs.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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By the same reasoning factory farms that feed cows with grain, not grass, should be banned, as it very significantly alter meat nutrition.

Many individuals remain skeptical about the concept of evolutionary nutritional adaptation, arguing that our bodies have not adequately adapted to a variety of modern foods and additives. Indeed, there is mounting evidence suggesting that ultra-processed foods can have negative impacts on our health. In the ongoing debate surrounding breast milk and baby formula, the majority continues to favor breast milk as the opt…

This argument is all over the place.

Ultra processed foods are clearly garbage. There is no nuance to this. There is no need for a deep study needed on unclear aspects of nutrition. They are plainly bad nutrition wise.

Breast milk is not an active debate. It’s not determined by “the majority” either. It is pretty clear that breast milk is better for a baby developmentally.

None of this actually supports your earlier assertion that lab grown food would have fundamentally different nutrition rules than other foods.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.

There's no "protection" of anything, this is populist vote-grabbing. Lab-grown meat isn't even a reality and won't be for like a decade at least on supermarket shelves. Also, that's not even the worse of the things introduced by our government yesterday, administrations do not need to publish a public contract for works up to 150k euros. Now every single administration can spend and gift corrupted money left and righ…

> populist vote-grabbing

sorry but how is this different from just democracy ?

we have democracy here in USA that allows NIMBY homeowners opposing any new development. Is that also just 'populist vote-grabbbing'

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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If your economy is entirely dependent on a doomed industry, maybe, instead of artificially keeping it alive, focus on modernising that economy instead?

Pretty weird to describe "food" as a doomed industry.

Nobody described "food" as a doomed industry, but the practice of slaughtering animals for protein if better alternatives become available (which they definitely are not yet, not even long term).

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.

This is very different. Oil is a modern innovation with a lot of fundamental problems. Animal meat is as old as time and the problems are more about modern scale and consumption and production patterns (mild regulatory changes would suffice).

It is a bit of an open question as to whether or not chemical engineers can beat a chicken in a chicken making contest, but should the results come back unequivocally in favor of the chemists, then Italy can simply repeal the law.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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GMO banning is another example of protectionism masquerading as something else. The demonization of Monsanto is diagnostic of the derangement/dishonesty.

I'm not in favor of banning GMOs, incidentally. The part of the-company-formerly-known-as-Monsanto I take issue with is their predatory practices, like suing farmers for inadvertently cross-pollinating their crops from Monsanto-copyrighted seeds from a neighboring farmer's fields.

You're being a useful fool here, repeating that outright lie, which has been well debunked even here on HN. The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs count on people like you to propagate their poison.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Don't ban it but make it very clear on the package what it is. Transparency is key.

I think you should do that as well for meat of animals that once lived, perhaps even with images (of the reality of course)

Yes, my butcher does that. When you enter the shop you have a beautiful picture of the cow that was used, as well as where it comes from.
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