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Why would EVs threaten oil & gas industry - they contain lots of plastic that is currently made out of oil. Also electricity is still being generated from fossil fuels in many places. And I don't see stuff like diesel generators going away any time soon. Renewables won't help if a hospital loses power.
You can't be serious, it's obvious that EVs curb oil and gas consumption and profits.
Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
#72This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.
We need to fully understand its safety, nutritional content, and long-term health effects.
Our understanding of the full biochemical spectrum of our diets is still limited. Therefore, it's important to ensure that lab-grown meat adequately replicates the complex array of nutrients and other beneficial compounds found in conventionally produced meat.
Long-term effects: Since lab-grown meat is a relatively new technology, the long-term health effects of consuming it are not yet known. Rigorous safety testing and research are needed to establish its safety over time.
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Modern nutrition is largely unexplored territory
"The unmapped chemical complexity of our diet" December 2019 Nature Food
DOI:10.1038/s43016-019-0005-1
"Our understanding of how diet affects health is limited to 150 key nutritional components that are tracked and catalogued by the United States Department of Agriculture and other national databases. Although this knowledge has been transformative for health sciences, helping unveil the role of calories, sugar, fat, vitamins and other nutritional factors in the emergence of common diseases, these nutritional components represent only a small fraction of the more than 26,000 distinct, definable biochemicals present in our food—many of which have documented effects on health but remain unquantified in any systematic fashion across different individual foods. Using new advances such as machine learning, a high-resolution library of these biochemicals could enable the systematic study of the full biochemical spectrum of our diets, opening new avenues for understanding the composition of what we eat, and how it affects health and disease."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337846288_The_unmap...
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
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Ok, but then Europe should expect the rest of the world to neither conduct free trade with it, nor subsidize its defense. You want those benefits? You don't block out the products of our highly productive agriculture.
Banning a whole class of product is not protectionism. Especially ones with dubious safety and unknown long term effects. You are totally free to raise cattle and grains the normal way and ship them to Europe. We love black angus steaks here.
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
#74I am italian, not sure i agree with this. I would have rather allow it (even if I would have probably not bought lab grown meat) and be sure it's well communicated during the sale (either on the package or from the vendor in case it's a butcher shop). Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse...
I guess it's far worst from a Monsanto point of view, which has surly more efficient lobbyists
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't be serious, it's obvious that EVs curb oil and gas consumption and profits.
How is that obvious? At least in the U.S., there is a pretty high chance that nonrenewables are charging your battery.
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
#77exactly the laws a rightwing government would create, protectionism at its best. meanwhile many countries around will build up the new high-tech industries and once surpassing the "traditional" thing in price/quality/quantity/coolness/... leave the protectionist in the dust. short term populism, long term damages, as always
I worked for a lab grown meat company and the CEO would give "Lab Grown Foie gras" to the media and investors, that was actually Foie gras. They could feel good about climate change, and he would take your money. Have you ever looked into the inefficiency of a bioreactor? Probably not.
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
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Define 'natural product'. I bet there are thousands of items on shelves now that aren't 'natural' but still escape this scrutiny, just due to having been around a while and flying under the radar.
Yes it's creazy. The only valid definition that comes to my mind of 'natural product' is "Existent before 1973".
And there's nothing "natural" about it :)
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
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Could you explain your reasoning? The unnatural food product stickers sounds like a health warning but for what? I already buy stuff like oat milk and it never bothered me that it's not actually milk. Same with plant based butters etc
Well, it’s unnatural to begin with. Other good movements like “organic” worked hard for that label and the producers of those products work hard. I don’t believe oat milk should be allowed to use the word “milk” and if it wants to then should be prefaced with words describing it as “imitation milk” or similar.
Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
#80The weakness of these culture warrior-ish positions is always proportionate to how quickly its proponents reach for the law.