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The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by kcplate »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #190
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #145

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Are you really an ashole if you want to eat a steak every now and then? Compared to people who use a private jet to fly 31 miles[0]? If you want a cleaner planet, start with those who pollute the most, and then go down towards stuff normal people do and use. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/11/02/revealed-a...

Nice strawman. You're not an asshole if you eat a steak every now and then. You're an asshole if you don't look at alternatives even though they're available to you and you can afford them just because you love your steaks too much - regardless of what "those who pollute the most" do. We would already be much further ahead if everyone could and would eat meat only "every now and then". The fact that I can see greater…

> You're an asshole if you don't look at alternatives even though they're available to you and you can afford them just because you love your steaks too much

TIL I’m an asshole because I love and eat steak even though I can afford plant based alternatives that I have zero desire to eat because of how processed they are.

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by NovaDudely »

asterix_pano wrote: post #78
NovaDudely wrote: post #52

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I'm not too surprised, in some ways Dairy is the meat industry by proxy. All dairy cattle end up in the same abattoirs.

On top of that they have one of the most miserable life we could imagine. Birthing babies and getting them taken away ASAP to give milk to a machine and getting slaughtered when you are less productive... It's hard to describe our lack of empathy to create and accept such systems.

Oh yeah... don't worry I know all the gruesome details. I have changed my ways accordingly.

This is a why I say the meat industry is more honest than the Dairy industry. The Dairy folks are all about cows in green fields in the sun - ignoring the 4-5 years of psychological and physical torture only to end the exact same way.

At least the meat industry just says - it's for meat!

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by iakov »

gaganyaan wrote: post #206
iakov wrote: post #104

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The FUD is spread by climate activists so often that nobody takes them seriously anymore. Look, this [0] is the latest example - I've heard about it from my friends. They were mocking the poster child of climate change activists and her doom-and-gloom prophecies that she promptly deleted once it became clear that the permanent ice is still there, and that humanity is not, in fact, extinct. Of course now it's an "impr…

Did you actually read the article you linked? I ask because it was quite informative, and doesn't support what you're saying. I don't really have the time to argue about it with you unfortunately, but if anybody else reads the above comment: yes, you can safely ignore it like the rest of the denialist comments that come from a place of ignorance. If you'd like to know why the commenter is speaking out of ignorance, t…

"You are wrong. I don't have time to explain how exactly you are wrong, but you are wrong. Everybody who reads this know - he is wrong! Wroooong!"

I am not denying climate change. I look out of my window on Christmas and see rain, I look at my thermometer in August and see record-high temperatures. I read the news about a catastrophic heat wave killing senior all over Europe, year after year. Yet again I have to say that climate activists, and that includes people like you, do nothing, nothing good for the movement.

Look at the article I've linked - it's rated as "mixed" (lol), since the tweet itself wasn't factual. It wasn't some nobody who tweeted that, it was the very poster child of the activist movement. If we can't trust the activists that are very public and very visible, who do we trust? Paraphrased scientists?

Look at your comment - you are so full of yourself, so righteous that you won't even step down to a level of mere mortals to explain how exactly I'm wrong. Do you think someone will read your text tantrum and become convinced that climate change is real and they need to act? Or is the purpose of this comment just to stir up emotions and label someone a "denialist"?

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by revelio »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #202
mnky9800n wrote: post #162

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if you don't believe temperature data go look at pictures of glaciers that go back 100+ years https://nsidc.org/data/glacier_photo/ what makes them melt? must be photoshop of the pictures by climatologists right? so maybe it's photoshop, but then where does all the sea ice go? probably climatologists lying about it right? are the satellites even in space? maybe they are a lie just like the moon landing. https://www.n…

I think you just encountered a real "climate skeptic" in the wild. A once abundant species, but a rare sighting in 2023.

If you check the polls you'll find we're pretty abundant (~30%+) and the numbers have been rising in recent years.

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by revelio »

anonyfox wrote: post #201
revelio wrote: post #188

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Non-human physical explanations for climate change can include sunspot activity, the AMO, El Nino/La Nina events, volcanic activity, internal interactions and probably many others. Some are known but most aren't. That's why I've not been giving you a comprehensive list: the climate isn't fully understood.

> the climate isn't fully understood I give you this one. There is no absolute _proof_, we only have scientific consensus of the overwhelming majority. Granted, they all can be wrong, thats the good thing about science. Having said that, just out of curiosity watching you discuss: Would you agree that _just in case_ all these dudes are roughly right, we all should make at least good faith attempts to stop whatever we…

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Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by mnky9800n »

prepend wrote: post #209
mnky9800n wrote: post #205

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Yeah I guess I was bored while waiting on my code to finish running. Oh well. My gf would say, "why are you talking to people on the internet?"

> My gf would say, "why are you talking to people on the internet?" I love these flashes from the old internet. Does your girlfriend live in Canada?

No she lives in The Netherlands.

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by diordiderot »

midland_trucker wrote: post #125
cowl wrote: post #111

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No matter where you stand, these type naive recommandations are responsible for some of the greatest enviornmental dissasters of the last century. "Bio"-Fuels being one of the main culprits of deforestation that has created way bigger problems than the ones they were trying to fix. In this case a Plant based Diet would require much more agricultural land for the same calorie intake than a balanced meat and plant one.…

> In this case a Plant based Diet would require much more agricultural land for the same calorie intake than a balanced meat and plant one. Where do you think the calories in meat ultimately comes from?

Hi.

Sorry a bit late to the party but IIRC certain high yield crops like dent corn are not really palatable for humans but can make up 2/3rds of the diet of a chicken.

Also low quality bushels of other cereals, legumes and even cotton seed can be turned into feed.

Edit: Although we eat too much meat now I believe the appropriate amount of meat consumption is well above 0

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by seba_dos1 »

kcplate wrote: post #211
seba_dos1 wrote: post #190

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Nice strawman. You're not an asshole if you eat a steak every now and then. You're an asshole if you don't look at alternatives even though they're available to you and you can afford them just because you love your steaks too much - regardless of what "those who pollute the most" do. We would already be much further ahead if everyone could and would eat meat only "every now and then". The fact that I can see greater…

> You're an asshole if you don't look at alternatives even though they're available to you and you can afford them just because you love your steaks too much TIL I’m an asshole because I love and eat steak even though I can afford plant based alternatives that I have zero desire to eat because of how processed they are.

Glad you realized that, it's the necessary first step towards positive change. /s

See, that's a good example of why simply getting angry at the hypocritical richest will lead nowhere, as long as what they do is still socially acceptable at smaller scales. People who would do the exact same thing at their place won't succeed in fighting them.

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by seba_dos1 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #144
flangola7 wrote: post #110

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Just because they're hypocrites doesn't mean they're wrong. Carpooling or using public transportation and reducing meat intake (especially beef) are empirically direct actions that reduce emissions. There's obviously a lot more power structures could do like stop using taxpayer money to subsidize oil and meat company profits, but that won't stop me from doing what I can with my own two hands. Refusing to engage in go…

But the environmental factor of one Joe Average carpooling with a Bob Average is a lot lower than if Sir Rich Guy uses a Tesla instead of his private jet. This is like a burning tire yard owner telling people to stop smoking cigarettes to keep the air cleaner.

Being around smokers in public places is still awful regardless of whether there are burning tire yard owners or not. These things are orthogonal to each other and both need to be tackled.

Re: The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

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Post by throwaway22032 »

I want to eat meat. I think it's better for me. Not only my health, but specific goals I have.

I will do what is necessary in order to do so.

This is generally how I operate. I also want to drive a car, own a house (not an apartment), have children, etcetera.

It strictly benefits me to recommend that you (as a stranger) don't do any of this. I'd rather have less competition.

That's all this stuff comes down to, to me. Convince everyone else to reduce their standard of living.

I'm just not going to eat the bugs, sorry. Try as hard as you like.

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