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EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by anonym29 »

jll29 wrote: post #50

Don't believe vendors' lies about "end-to-end" encryption. If caught red handed, they will always say it depends on how you define where both "ends" begin. Do not trust a cloud service that you have not developed and deployed yourself. You may trust untrusted hardware with your encrypted content, but only if you have given it your content pre-encrypted by yourself, not trusted a third party to encrypt it on your beha…

This is a very efficient post - the TL;DR is accurately summed up with the first three words!

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by anonym29 »

CapstanRoller wrote: post #109
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #66

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Anything your monitor displays or sound system outputs is subject to ubiquitous surveillance. And, when there's a gap in the surveillance that's also is subject to interpretation. Privacy already is (mostly) lost and the battle now simply is to reliably establish authenticity that can't be impersonated or doubted. That's where encryption remains helpful.

You don't even have to emit signals. Consumer WiFi equipment can already be used as active radar[0] to track individual movement, and ubiquitous deployment of dense high-frequency cellular networking equipment (5G, 6G) will basically render most house walls transparent (especially if you're living in a USAmerican stick-framed drywall house) potentially allowing for things like face tracking at a distance. [0] https:/…

The upside of this is that it just created a business opportunity for Faraday paint :)

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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labster wrote: post #125
transcriptase wrote: post #113

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Careful, if any HN folk reside in Ottawa they’ll be all over you implying that honking horns is psychological torture and that everything is the fault of the RCMP and Provincial government for not shutting down protests first.

Hey, post your street address online here. Me and some buddies will camp outside your house honking horns all night long for a month or two, all in completely harmless good fun as we all agree it’s simply free speech.

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Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by anonym29 »

fsflover wrote: post #82
gizmo wrote: post #63

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Do you trust your bios? Your usb stack? Your network card firmware? I get the desire to control the entire chain, but nowadays you’re surrounded by cameras and microphones 24/7, every smart device is a surveillance sleeper agent waiting for the magic word. Certificate chains are the least of your worries.

> Do you trust your bios? Yes, it's Coreboot with disabled and neutralized Intel ME. > Your usb stack? No, it's isolated in a dedicated, hardware-virtualized VM on Qubes OS. > Your network card firmware? Same as above. And it's FLOSS. > surrounded by cameras and microphones For those, I have hardware kill switches. On the phone, too.

Not even running a CPU with open source microcode implementing an open source ISA? Pfff, casual! /s

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by labster »

hgsgm wrote: post #137
labster wrote: post #129

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I remember the good old days when people could be against riots regardless of their politics without getting canceled. But those days are long gone. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m pro-BLM. I’m not a racist or anything.

I remember the good old days when you could be pro-riots and still agree that the behavior was illegal, because "burning the system down" was a position taken with honesty. When US "peacekeepers" invade a foreign country, that's illegal too.

Nah, that’s just enhanced liberation techniques.

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by intelVISA »

anonym29 wrote: post #144
fsflover wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you trust your bios? Yes, it's Coreboot with disabled and neutralized Intel ME. > Your usb stack? No, it's isolated in a dedicated, hardware-virtualized VM on Qubes OS. > Your network card firmware? Same as above. And it's FLOSS. > surrounded by cameras and microphones For those, I have hardware kill switches. On the phone, too.

Not even running a CPU with open source microcode implementing an open source ISA? Pfff, casual! /s

Breadboard processor and custom ISA would be wise here.

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

dahwolf wrote: post #65

Software is flexible which seems to result in our human rights being equally flexible. Imagine the police regularly raiding your apartment without announcement. The post office opening all your mail. Storage box companies searching your unit. You wouldn't be OK with that. You're innocent until proven guilty and a search requires a reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing and an approved warrant. Private communication is pr…

> Private communication is private and absolutely nobody else's business. It's a crime to open somebody's mail.

I thought we were talking in the context of the EU? It's not a crime for them if the government is doing it (or asking for it). They don't have rights like that.

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Post by sangnoir »

transcriptase wrote: post #113
908B64B197 wrote: post #70

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Lots of places don't have strong constitutional protections, for anything. Not that long ago, the government in Canada started freezing citizen's bank accounts on suspicions they donated small amounts to a certain peaceful organization organizing protests the government didn't like. They just decided to suspend the constitution (because that's a thing over there?). But what's interesting to see is people from Europe…

Careful, if any HN folk reside in Ottawa they’ll be all over you implying that honking horns is psychological torture and that everything is the fault of the RCMP and Provincial government for not shutting down protests first.

Sleep deprivation is recognized as torture everywhere.

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by meling »

mongol wrote: post #36

The podcast episode in Svenska Dagbladet (which is otherwise a very good podcast) was infuriating because the opponent and the host did not catch on to her ridiculous statements about encryption. She really needs to meet a journalist that can cross-examine her statements about this. She got away too easy there.

I only read the blog summarizing the interviews, but I’m horrified that she can talk this much bs with such apparent confidence. I don’t know who she is and how she got to have this role, which she does not appear qualified to hold.

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Post by tablespoon »

bobthepanda wrote: post #122
tablespoon wrote: post #56

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> Don't trust old-school typewriters and the postal system either. Letters are routinely opened and typewriters can be matched. For example, the Stasi (secret police of the former GDR - German "Democratic" Republic) had an archive of type samples of all sold models of typewriters for re-identification of political pamphlets. That's theoretical. I highly doubt anyone extends that much effort to target typewriters anym…

I mean, photocopiers have the exact same technology so the US Secret Service can see who’s trying to photocopy dollar bills. (Which is what they were originally created for, not as bodyguards) https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2005/10/16

>>> Don't trust old-school typewriters

> I mean, photocopiers have the exact same technology

They absolutely do not have the "exact same technology. That's totally, 100% wrong.

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