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Where is the Web Going?

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Re: Where is the Web Going?

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There's also Del.icio.us as a collection/curation platform somewhere between Twitter and Tumblr.

I've been using delicious again as my bookmarking and curation platform of choice. Anyway, I think the author forgot about delicious and flickr, which started in the early 2000's peaking in media hype around 2005, which sort of changes his graph and thesis. It's no longer a nice progression of up and to the right. He just picked out examples that supported his view, and ignore the others that don't.

Flickr was a failed attempt to understand users and make it simple. It wasn't made for the masses and there was too much friction.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Let me get this straight here. Bookmarking, re-tweeting, and posting links on tumblr count as content creation for the purposes of this article? I'm a bit incredulous as I don't really see it as such. I'd venture to say that you still only have ~1% of users creating content with any substance, let alone quality.

Well, technically, doing those things (re-tweeting, posting links, etc.) creates content... Substance and quality notwithstanding.

If posting links was enough to "create content", we could automate a vast increase in content. Of course, that's nonsense.

What creates content, arguably, is posting the links in a useful context (and something as simple as knowing your friend likes these might create the context). I think that value is real (and is reflected in services like Twitter), but there are some stark limits because my time/interest in consuming that kind of content is limited. Services that help me navigate the sea of data to effectively find the pearls of interest will have value. But just providing more ocean to search through is of limited direct interest...

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, technically, doing those things (re-tweeting, posting links, etc.) creates content... Substance and quality notwithstanding.

It creates data, but I'm not sure if it can be called content.

The aggregation of data can be considered content, such as the yellow pages or delicious, which, I think can also be copyrighted. So if your intent is to collect links to content, I would say technically, you are creating content. Look at this site, at least at the top level.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, technically, doing those things (re-tweeting, posting links, etc.) creates content... Substance and quality notwithstanding.

If posting links was enough to "create content", we could automate a vast increase in content. Of course, that's nonsense. What creates content, arguably, is posting the links in a useful context (and something as simple as knowing your friend likes these might create the context). I think that value is real (and is reflected in services like Twitter), but there are some stark limits because my time/interest in consu…

This.

Simply posting something that already exists, be it through a Tweet or a link or what-have-you, does not create anything of value.

However, creating said link with a short description or within the context of a greater article does create value. It's not a huge amount of value, but I know that I, personally, am much more likely to examine a link posted by someone if they explain what it is about and that explanation is both interesting and relevant.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It creates data, but I'm not sure if it can be called content.

The aggregation of data can be considered content, such as the yellow pages or delicious, which, I think can also be copyrighted. So if your intent is to collect links to content, I would say technically, you are creating content. Look at this site, at least at the top level.

I don't consider the Yellow Pages to be content, just hard-to-gather data. For this site, the top level is data which points to content. The comments are the content, for me.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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I agree with the characterization of the past but I don't think curating is the answer either. You can't easily distill quality content out of a sea of junk. Much of the best content on the web still comes from traditional editorial organisations like NYT, Economist, etc. Free-for all social content works great for sites like StackExchange but I don't even think Quora, which is kind of like a curator, is going anywhere.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Let me get this straight here. Bookmarking, re-tweeting, and posting links on tumblr count as content creation for the purposes of this article? I'm a bit incredulous as I don't really see it as such. I'd venture to say that you still only have ~1% of users creating content with any substance, let alone quality.

Agreed. Sites like Tumblr and Twitter are mostly full of people reblogging and retweeting other people's posts, and the source posts are often things that have been posted before. Many Internet users have short memories, and even shorter attention spans.

The Internet is increasing full of people linking to content, instead of creating it, and there's a fine line between "curating" links and simply spamming them.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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I agree with the characterization of the past but I don't think curating is the answer either. You can't easily distill quality content out of a sea of junk. Much of the best content on the web still comes from traditional editorial organisations like NYT, Economist, etc. Free-for all social content works great for sites like StackExchange but I don't even think Quora, which is kind of like a curator, is going anywhe…

"...I don't think curating is the answer either. You can't easily distill quality content out of a sea of junk."

These two sentiments seem contradictory to me. The fact that it's not easy to filter for quality is what makes curation valuable.

I'm not sure if the dichotomy presented is correct, though. Really, all the old institutions like the ones you state, are in some sense curators. They curate news, fact, analysis, etc. The democratization of content creation and the decoupling of creation and curation means it'll be easier for amateurs to participate without going through the old bureacratic regimes these institutions represent.

I think the more interesting frontier is the digital curation by human/machine teams. You can understand Google and Facebook as curation, too, but they use a combination of human and algorithmic curation (more G than FB), and to me the Tumblrs and Quoras seem like a step back toward more heavily human-curated. I'll be more interested to see more combinations of different people and different algorithms working on different data.

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Let me get this straight here. Bookmarking, re-tweeting, and posting links on tumblr count as content creation for the purposes of this article? I'm a bit incredulous as I don't really see it as such. I'd venture to say that you still only have ~1% of users creating content with any substance, let alone quality.

A single instance of creating a link to a post that exists is probably not content creation. But curating an interesting/topical stream of content surely is.

As discussed in other threads [0], Letters of Note, for example, provides a context for its instances of curated content that provide a valuable resource for someone interested in the subject matter.

And let's not forget that Google is an example of curation that provides immense value. Google search doesn't provide any new information, but it surfaces existing information in a context that's valuable.

[0]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3534574

Re: Where is the Web Going?

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Don't be misled into believing that the web is "going" somewhere merely due to the success of some high profile growth in certain areas.

Where is the web going?

Everywhere.

If you don't believe that the web will become the backbone of human communication and the primary repository of recorded knowledge then you simply aren't paying attention. Facebook and tumblr are interesting sideshows but they are nothing compared to the real growth of the web, which is proceeding slowly but surely in the background largely without fanfair.

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