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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#101

It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

> but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product.

Many recognise it, but don't care. Windows is not longer the cash-cow it once was even on the server. Azure is the new baby there – they don't care what server OS you run as long as you run it on their kit. In homes and offices Windows is just a vehicle for Office and Visual Studio, they are pushing people more towards the online office variants of Office (users therefore becoming dependent on a subscription for access to apps and storage/backups). Back to the server, and SQL Server runs on Linux these days or (even better for them) Azure-native.

If it wouldn't look terrible to just dump Windows, I'm fairly sure they would do so soon if they hadn't already. It would save them all the hassle of hardware compatibility, dealing with manufactures, being blamed for instability cause by bad drivers (on top of instability cause by bad Windows that is their fault!). They could let Linux & Apple deal with all that crap, and just sell cloud services, Office/SQL/Exchange licences, etc. to users of those OSs. They'd keep something of Windows on their console, but that is minute in comparison because it only needs to be the core & they control the hardware selection, and again that is just a vehicle with which to sell a subscription service to the end user and licensing/SDKs to developers.

Windows is only really moving forwards at all due to momentum, MS would rather be concentrating on other things that are more profitable for less hassle & questionable press.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#103

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

Why stop there? Maybe the next version of Teams, will have commercial breaks during your daily stand-up? ... Microsoft is making 2023 the year of the Linux Desktop. :-)

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#104
post #28

On the fresh install of Windows I do see some ads and ad-adjacent things. But once I disable all of them, that's it. No more. I haven't seen anything at all like this since install day a couple years back. My guess is that people aren't going through and disabling everything. Also, people aren't using piholes which are probably blocking everything that can't be disabled.

"disable all of them"

Yes you are correct, but Microsoft is hiding these options in at least 5 different places, and you need to follow a tutorial to disable them all. Not to mention new updates add new ads, like this one or a recent one that shows search box in the task bar. This is only Windows. If you use Edge, there are 10 other things Microsoft forces on you, recently sidebar, "Discover" and "writing assistance". Some of these, like "Microsoft Editor" of "writing assistance", sends data to Microsoft (written clearly in the settings), which could include trade secret. Well it's true you can turn these off, but they should never be turned on by default in the first place.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#105
It is looking like I may be going back to windows server this year. Someone on HN helpfully reminded me that my VS/MSDN subscription includes access to this already.

I am in a really uncomfortable spot of mostly disliking all flavors of operating system now. I don't really like to play games anymore and linux is something I can only enjoy with unlimited free time.

MacOS is quickly becoming my favorite "around the house" OS, but I can't stand to do technical work on this setup for some reason - I'll just RDP into my workstation if I'm on the couch.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#106

It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

Microsoft is primarily a cloud services company now. Legacy products need to fund themselves and it's difficult to get much for a Windows consumer license these days, so the Windows group has to find revenue where they can. At least the people in the Office group have a nice revenue stream from Office 365. Consumer Windows just isn't a viable standalone product anymore, at least not one that can cover its own costs easily. Windows Server still brings in revenue for licenses, so whatever development on Server that makes its way over to Consumer is probably a subsidy, though I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to have one department charge another for services.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#107

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#108
post #35

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

>What on Earth could they possibly do now to top that ? Autoplaying videos with sound

Hi there, I'm Cortana ;)

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#109
If there was a free version of windows with ads and a "pay $99 to get rid of everything", then sure, understandable.

But you pay for the licence (well, through an oem usually), and still get ads... well, that's really assholeish.

But maybe it's the right thing to do for them, so we'll get some more diversity in the OS space, and soon there might really be a "year of linux on the desktop".

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#110
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What on Earth could they possibly do now to top that ? Autoplaying videos with sound

Related: https://xkcd.com/1305/

Is that a real thing though? One of the more intriguing xkcds I've seen.
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