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EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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Having a solution is not a prerequisite for providing criticism. It is okay to see a flaw but not yet have an answer.

No but it makes it an empty criticism. It's like the activists who say "abolish the police!" but either have no insight into or are deliberately ignoring why the police exist, and have no ideas regarding who would perform the equivalent function instead.

We are very aware of why police exist.

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Having a solution is not a prerequisite for providing criticism. It is okay to see a flaw but not yet have an answer.

No but it makes it an empty criticism. It's like the activists who say "abolish the police!" but either have no insight into or are deliberately ignoring why the police exist, and have no ideas regarding who would perform the equivalent function instead.

I think you must not have interacted with many people who advocate for police abolition. Even just googling "abolish the police" returns a page full of results of various proposals, with detailed breakdowns. It's quite simple: just how we don't call the police for house fires or heart attacks, there are a large variety of other societal problems which would be better served by more specialized (and less heavily armed) services.

Also, police exist to protect capital, not us. It evolved from slave catching forces, and does relatively little to prevent or solve most crime.

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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This is more common than the opposite. I’m reminded of that recent embarrassing display of US government where the TikTok CEO was peppered with the kinds of questions that betray the fact that the congresscritter doesn’t comprehend the topic. If they wanted real answers they’d say, “I yield my time to this SME I brought in.” But they’re just there to look tough on whatever.

You don't need to be a subject matter expert to understand how encryption works. E2E can be explained to an 8 year old. The problem is that the skills selected for in politicians is the same as the skills selected for in non-venomous snakes, ie, their resemblance to venomous snakes, without the metabolic overhead of actually producing venom.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...

Is there any legitimate purpose or utility to the user in that green bubble? I'm an Android user with no knowledge of iMessage.

If I write a message to someone, them being blue or green means I will either pay for the message (sms) or it's free (iMessage).

Re: EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill

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The podcast episode in Svenska Dagbladet (which is otherwise a very good podcast) was infuriating because the opponent and the host did not catch on to her ridiculous statements about encryption. She really needs to meet a journalist that can cross-examine her statements about this. She got away too easy there.

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Is there any legitimate purpose or utility to the user in that green bubble? I'm an Android user with no knowledge of iMessage.

If I write a message to someone, them being blue or green means I will either pay for the message (sms) or it's free (iMessage).

And to piggyback off this, to have an iPhone is often a status symbol for teens or some societies. So whether you know anything about iMessage or not, a teen with an Android phone may be heckled when their iPhone recipient sees a green bubble.

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The podcast episode in Svenska Dagbladet (which is otherwise a very good podcast) was infuriating because the opponent and the host did not catch on to her ridiculous statements about encryption. She really needs to meet a journalist that can cross-examine her statements about this. She got away too easy there.

Knowing the opponent he indeed caught on but with 30 minutes (and most of that spent with Ylva) there's only so much you can do.

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the EU is a political organization so , yes? having an opinion is allowed , but like i said there is no way to express it somehow. In fact i usually learn about EU regulations affecting my business from hacker news

The EU does public consultations, usually years in advance. If those regulations are affecting your business it might be worthwhile to check their site every once in a while.

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Making cynical blanket statements about large groups of people doesn't do anything to address any kind of issue, and instead normalizes negative behaviors both within that group. Within the group, the more people believe that it's the norm, the less social impetus there is to address individual bad actors. Outside that group, people are less likely to treat people fairly if they are perceived to be part of a group of…

i m not within that group -- very few people are within that group and the vast majority are unelected and unaccountable to us. I m not the only one complaining about the brussels bubble. dont try to shift the blame on us my experince with eurocracy is from projects i ve participated in

> are unelected and unaccountable to us

Elected ones are so accountable - lets see

1. Iraq war - Tony Blair mislwd parliament, as cobcluded in official report, not held to account

2. 2008 - noone held to account

3. Brexit campaign broke electoral law - noone held to account

4 - Covid responce in UK involved handing out billions to political donors for PPE that did not meet legal requirements and so was burned.

5 - Trump...

In fact I striggle to think of a recent disaster that was caused by a civil cervant or eurocrat

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