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Having a solution is not a prerequisite for providing criticism. It is okay to see a flaw but not yet have an answer.
EU Commission doesn't understand what's written in its own chat control bill
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Having a solution is not a prerequisite for providing criticism. It is okay to see a flaw but not yet have an answer.
No but it makes it an empty criticism. It's like the activists who say "abolish the police!" but either have no insight into or are deliberately ignoring why the police exist, and have no ideas regarding who would perform the equivalent function instead.
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#23The purpose of most eurocrats is to write long reports to other eurocrats justifying their time and expenses. It's normal to see people claim authority on things they have very little idea of. The recently-caught MEP who took bribes was apparently in charge of science and tech, AI & blockchain , and the things she would say in public were astounding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylCxsN3qlkU?t=5m30s
Making cynical blanket statements about large groups of people doesn't do anything to address any kind of issue, and instead normalizes negative behaviors both within that group. Within the group, the more people believe that it's the norm, the less social impetus there is to address individual bad actors. Outside that group, people are less likely to treat people fairly if they are perceived to be part of a group of…
your response contains some very valid points around the dynamics of groups with bad reputations. You point out real negative consequences.
But you misidentify the group being criticized. it's not euro bureaucrats.
it's literal morons who take ownership and responsibility over things they don't understand well enough to even surround themselves with advisors who know what they're talking about.
I've seen this attitude from many very wealthy people, a willingness, a bravado even, to be ignorant about what they do for a living, e.g. I met a dude who told me had a software business, but he didn't even know what programing language his own property was written in.
what really sets me off is their unwillingness to find out. (oh, and that this are the kind of people at the top of our society)
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The fact that something needs to be done does not mean that this needs to be done.
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Sometimes the cure is worse than the poison. You don't need a better proposal to condemn one
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Making cynical blanket statements about large groups of people doesn't do anything to address any kind of issue, and instead normalizes negative behaviors both within that group. Within the group, the more people believe that it's the norm, the less social impetus there is to address individual bad actors. Outside that group, people are less likely to treat people fairly if they are perceived to be part of a group of…
> How is someone making a positive difference supposed to navigate an environment where everyone assumes they are bad actors? By increasing transparency and accountability.
I have observed multiple instances where someone had proposed that and been shorted down by the crowd e saying, we don't believe it trust you because you (work in govt, represent a company, are in $political party). Clearly that doesn't work.
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#28Here is the Regulation in question: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM:2022... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb... Its full name is the: Proposal for a REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL laying down rules to prevent and combat child sexual abuse
Neither of those links are functional
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#29I'd be happy if they understood what's written in their GDPR bill passed 7 years ago.
How do they not understand it?
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#30For all the faults that lobbying brings with it, there is something to be said for actually bringing in outside experts into the legislative process. You can seek intellectual purity all you want, but at the end of the day you are going to have to have some trust that farmers know where seeds go and tech companies know how encryption works.
Similar bills have died several times in the US, if only because there were actual experts available (aka, lobbyists) who could tell them why this idea was dumb and impossible.
It's hard not to see this following in the line of "right to be forgotten" or "tracking consent" where legitimate concerns about the language of the rules were completely dismissed as industry noise.