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Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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From the article: brought in rules which ban NGO vessels from performing more than one rescue at sea at a time This seems like a bit of an over reach. Maybe someone can provide some context that is missing in the article 1. If a commercial vessel (container ship etc) finds a migrant boat in need of rescue and then later finds another also in need of rescue, are they supposed to just leave them? 2. How come Italy can…

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Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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"the far-right government led by Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni" amusing how no leader is ever referred to as far left.

Because they call those socialist or communist governments. The real question is why they call them far-right and not something else.

Because fascist is too loaded? Nationalist doesn't really cover the ideals this party represents.

I wonder if this party would agree with 'far-right' as a descriptor? Some political movements here in the UK are (sadly) happy to be called far-right and trade on it.

Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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From the article: brought in rules which ban NGO vessels from performing more than one rescue at sea at a time This seems like a bit of an over reach. Maybe someone can provide some context that is missing in the article 1. If a commercial vessel (container ship etc) finds a migrant boat in need of rescue and then later finds another also in need of rescue, are they supposed to just leave them? 2. How come Italy can…

> 2. How come Italy can dictate what foreign vessels (Banksys ship is registered in German as per the article) do in international waters?

The answer is basically they can because they can.

The ship isn't picking people up and delivering them to Germany, they're picking people up and delivering them to Italy. When the ship is docked in Italy it is at the whim of the Italian authorities.

Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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From the article: brought in rules which ban NGO vessels from performing more than one rescue at sea at a time This seems like a bit of an over reach. Maybe someone can provide some context that is missing in the article 1. If a commercial vessel (container ship etc) finds a migrant boat in need of rescue and then later finds another also in need of rescue, are they supposed to just leave them? 2. How come Italy can…

>How come Italy can dictate what foreign vessels (Banksys ship is registered in German as per the article) do in international waters?

IIRC they can't have a say on what they do in international waters. They can however have a say on a German ship bringing migrants into an Italian port. It's up to the Italian authorities to accept or deny the German vessel at that point.

Unless Banksy or the German Gov. provides a shuttle transport from Italy to Germany, then that's like me going around the neighborhood rescuing stray dogs and cats and dumping them on a neighbor's yard because he's closer to where I found them. It then becomes less "me rescuing them" and more "me making it someone else's problem".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Italy's government is far right, it's the most rightward government since WW2

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Serious question, Do you not know of the the terms left and right wing politics? Have you not previously heard of far-right, or do you feel it does not apply to this party?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

Just trying to ascertain exactly your issue with the term.

Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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"the far-right government led by Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni" amusing how no leader is ever referred to as far left.

I know you already know this isn't true, but for everyone else, look up coverage of Greek, French, Spanish, or Brazilian politics if you'd like to see some leaders described as far-left.

Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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I hope that this can get cleared up and the ship can get back out to sea and back to work.

I'd been noticing for a while reading Wikipedia's current events that seemingly every week there is at least one case of "boat carrying migrants sinks killing dozens of people". Glancing back, there were 29 reported drowned on the 26th, 5 the 23rd, 14 on the 9th, and 2 on the first. All of these in the Mediterranean. This is ugly.

Re: Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'

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From the article: brought in rules which ban NGO vessels from performing more than one rescue at sea at a time This seems like a bit of an over reach. Maybe someone can provide some context that is missing in the article 1. If a commercial vessel (container ship etc) finds a migrant boat in need of rescue and then later finds another also in need of rescue, are they supposed to just leave them? 2. How come Italy can…

Seems like there's an opportunity for NGO boats to distribute the survivors amongst themselves while in international waters. No way for the Italians to know who rescued who.

Or, you know, have some humanity and let them come ashore anyway.

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