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Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by pwinnski »

mbo wrote: post #173

> There’s no separate subscription for Apple Music Classical. It’s included at no extra cost with all Apple Music subscriptions except the Apple Music Voice Plan. Bit of a missed opportunity here to provide a cheaper subscription just for Classical. Apple could have captured Spotify users who would be willing to pay a small premium for a nicer classical UX, but would be unwilling to take out an additional full-priced…

People who care deeply about classical music will use this even at the same or higher cost than Spotify's now-inferior product.

People who don't care at all about classical music won't use this at any price.

People who like classical sometimes but don't listen to it exclusively should be happy that neither costs extra, both are included in the normal price.

I'm not seeing any market opportunity for charging a lower amount for this service separately.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by taude »

mastercheif wrote: post #239
lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

Check out https://roonlabs.com Roon uses a database-style approach to keep track of the differences between compositions vs performances + artists vs composers. It’s peerless for Jazz. It also has many of the “Apple Music Classical” features already like breaking out movements from tracks.

I've heard Roon mentioned a lot, and I have BluOs and my NAD amp support it natively. I've never really bothered to look into this. But this sounds like it's time for me to explore. Weird that it took an Apple product marketing sheet for me to "get" what Roon is like then....

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by easyThrowaway »

oriolid wrote: post #229
easyThrowaway wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the OP point was specifically about Classic Music, not incidental soundscapes.

I know, I wasn't the one who brought up the "acoustic equivalent of a screensaver".

Alright, but why would I actually spend time to actively listen to it? Op was specifically talking about Classic music being replaced by AI in listening events, not about staying on hold on a phone calls or waiting on a parking spot.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by betagam »

amacbride wrote: post #130

It’s definitely not perfect, but I’m enjoying it, as someone who has been unhappy with Spotify’s haphazard approach to classical music. I was exploring the “Harpsichord“ category and Bach’s Toccata No. 6 in G Minor, and saw a performance by Glenn Gould: “Glen Gould on the harpsichord? Oh, how interesting! [listens] How...not a harpsichord.” So there are still a few bugs to be worked out.

Same on YouTube. Even when I'm searching specifically for harpsichord music, the first result is harpsichord music played on piano. That's not the instrument the music was composed for.

It's surely interesting to hear what a piece sounds like when played on an other instrument, but it should't be the norm in my opinion.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by dekhn »

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

I use Take Five as my reference recording. The bass in the background of the drum solo is very good for evaluating reproduction quality.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by dewey »

treerunner wrote: post #102
dewey wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's crazy Apple considered it better to write a completely new app rather than improve their existing product. That's why they didn't, they bought a service and rebranded it. https://www.apple.com/hk/en/newsroom/2021/08/apple-acquires-...

That’s even more crazy. Patching one app into another for improved UX and categorization is bonkers. Also, my kid wanted to use Apple Music classical first thing this morning (he’s a big classical music nut), you literally have to be logged in to regular Apple Music before Classical will allow you to play anything. Weird.

I don‘t think they „patched“ stuff. Without knowing much about it I‘d guess they just took the backend, put it behind an Apple API and then built a new app based on that. The frontend there is probably the easier part and likely the reason it‘s only available on iOS at this point.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by pwinnski »

herodotus wrote: post #237
bmmayer1 wrote: post #222

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Beyond pricing, what's their strategy here trying to unbundle music? Are they going to release a different music app for every genre? If it's just a classical app, does that mean I now have to use two apps to switch between music based on genre? What benefit is there other than slightly better UX which presumably could be bundled in an existing app.

> What benefit is there other than slightly better UX The way people (like me) listen to classical music is different from the way they listen to other kinds of music. For example, I might want to listen to Beethoven's String Quartet No. 12. This has four movements, and I want the player to play from movement 1 through movement 4 once I touch the play button. This is very different from wanting to play (say) Price Ta…

I decided to check this out. I searched for "Don giovanni" and my first match was under "Works", telling me that "Don Giovanni" by W. A. Mozart (little pic of him), K. 527, is available in 1,182 tracks. Second match, amusingly, was "Don Juan" by "C. W. Gluck," Wq. 52, available in 17 tracks.

Choosing Don Giovanni, I get a link to see more by Wolgang Amadeus Mozart, and a detailed description of Don Giovanni, K. 527, KV527. There's an Editor's Choice recording by Teodor Currentzis from 2016 (79 tracks, 2 hr 50 min), or five (with See All) Popular Recordings from 1960, 1986, 1991, 1960 again, and 1966, ranging from 2 hr 38 min (Herbert von Karajan, Vienna Philharmonic) to 3 hr (Philharmonia Orchestra). I'll choose the Editor's Choice.

Album art up top, I see (in dim gray) "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart," (in large white type) "Don Giovanni, K. 527," and (in gray, but larger than the composer) "Teodor Currentzis," along with tiny type tell me that this was released in 2016 and is in Hi-Res Lossless. Then a large Play button, no Shuffle button as the normal Music app has.

The tracks are "Ouvertura" (5:12), Notte e giorno faticar (No. 1, Introduzione: Leporello) (1:30), Non sperar... you know what? You get the idea. The metadata is presented perfectly.

Last night I was listening to Rachmaninoff Symphony No. 2 by the London Symphony Orchestra, Sir Simon Rattle conducting, and it was presented perfectly as well.[0] And it sounded wonderful!

0. https://i.imgur.com/XEZn2My.jpg

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by romeovs »

This might be off topic but has anyone else noticed the sloppiness in Apples' websites lately?

On both Safari and Firefox on my machine the titles on this page appear without the correct fonts (falling back to Times).

On apple.com a lot of buttons (eg. the buy button on https://www.apple.com/mac/) lead to 404 pages.

Trying to report these issues seems impossible, of course.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by bowsamic »

BurningFrog wrote: post #212
bowsamic wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well naturally if your relation to art is that shallow then to you it is a genuine risk that it might be replaced by an AI version.

I don't think we'll end up agreeing, but I'm curious what "deeper" ways to enjoy music than listening to it you favor?

Relating to it as a creative process. Connecting directly with the artist, mind to mind, through the art. Being liberated from my current perspective. Story telling. Revolutionary mental states. New synergistic paradigms. All the actual reasons why people have been making art for many 1000s of years.

Or, just keep your pacifier, baby ;)

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