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Re: Apple Music Classical

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post #173

> There’s no separate subscription for Apple Music Classical. It’s included at no extra cost with all Apple Music subscriptions except the Apple Music Voice Plan. Bit of a missed opportunity here to provide a cheaper subscription just for Classical. Apple could have captured Spotify users who would be willing to pay a small premium for a nicer classical UX, but would be unwilling to take out an additional full-priced…

Bit of a missed opportunity here to provide a cheaper subscription just for Classical.

I don't think the people this app is for are all that price-sensitive.

I look at Apple Music as a classical music subscription, with 90 million other tracks included for free.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#182
post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Run with the assumption that everything is always infinitely available, and become judicious with your attention. Boring podcast? Don't think twice, delete it. Good TV show, but not amazing? Move on, there's better out there. You won't even remember its name in a year. Book dragging on in the middle? Skip ahead. Every now and again you'll find something you want to give a chance to, and for those things do slow down,…

This is the way. It’s perfectly acceptable to bounce off a book after five pages. Off a podcast with poor production quality. Off a song after the first measure. Tastes differ, so don’t feel bad if you dislike something the zeitgeist adores.

Back when scarcity was a thing, the act of powering through with media you didn’t initially like was one of the primary ways of maturing your taste and learning to like new things.

Only consuming media which hooks you instantly is a good way to achieve the media equivalent of a sugar-only diet.

I don’t have an answer for this to be honest, it’s just an observation.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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post #10

Maybe we'll finally get a music app where classical music isn't categorized by Album/Artist :) Classical doesn't really fit that well into a schema, since you have composers, performers, and then under performers there's soloist, or multiple soloists, which orchestra, which conductor, and so on. And it would also be nice to have things like "show most popular recordings of Beethoven's 5th".

> Classical doesn't really fit that well into a schema, since you have composers, performers, and then under performers there's soloist, or multiple soloists, which orchestra, which conductor, and so on. That sounds like a schema to me. Hell, even popular music can have such complexities, it’s just that they’re usually ignored e.g. if you want to correctly tag a cover featuring a rapper, that’s basically a performer…

I get your point but rap was a bad example. Rappers don't "cover" songs and artists who cover rap songs are usually bedroom artists posting on YouTube.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd remind you J. S. Bach exists, and ask if you want to think this one over.

What does this mean?

Bach's oeuvre is practically inexhaustible and after a while gets to feel a bit samey in places. This led me to make a joke that, judging by a sibling comment of yours, has not landed well among Bach fans, who seem to have a history [1] of being annoyed by such badinage.

Apparently there's something about his work that's seen [2] as uniquely susceptible to automation, and I suppose I can see where the irritation would come from. Doesn't bother me any, but then I've always preferred Beethoven anyway.

[1] https://slate.com/technology/2019/03/google-doodle-bach-ai-m...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/11/science/undiscovered-bach...

Re: Apple Music Classical

#185
post #77

I'm really keen to dive into this however as someone knee deep in the ecosystem it's baffling that it doesn't have proper native integration with Apple TV/HomePod. You can Airplay with your phone as the source, but not with the receiving device being the source (which is typically a nicer and more reliable approach as some phone applications can interrupt the streamed audio).

Atmos doesn’t carry over on airplay either.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#186
post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

It's interesting how despite classical music having such a surge of listenership (thanks largely in part due to video games), they've been unable to do much about it. You contrast this with the likes of the vinyl industry, which has capitalized on its revival through packaging and branding to the point of outpacing CDs... it's a pure shock that this step by Apple is really the only thing being done.

Just like vinyl, I don't think the solution is digital!

Re: Apple Music Classical

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On the one hand: Apple has released (at least) two new "major" consumer "apps" over the past year (Freeform and this). This gives me positive echos of "old Apple"; a company that took the software as seriously as the hardware, that apps like Aperture and Logic were critical to the Mac becoming what it is, and that they should have a hand in creating not just the platform and technologies, but the actual experiences that drive productivity (and now entertainment) for the people who join their platforms. This can solve a real problem for a lot of customers; I am not one of them, so I'm unqualified to say if it actually does solve those problems, but I'm really happy that it exists.

On the other hand; release is step 1, and given this is based on an acquisition I think its totally fair to be skeptical. I shared this with my dad this morning, who is an old classical music nerd and pianist for the symphony orchestra in town. His first reaction: Does it have a Mac app? (It doesn't). And see, that gap is actually really significant when you think about it, because people like him, in that niche; they are appreciators, for better or worse, of audio quality. Hi-Res lossless, awesome, that's table stakes. He has a Mac Mini wired up to a Schiit Yggdrassil and some amp that weighs 50 pounds and a set of speakers that he drove 300 miles away to "get a deal" on (he paid $18,000 for them. that was a "deal". my mother was not happy about it). Using an iPhone is a complete non-starter. He uses Qobuz primarily, alongside an obscene collection of SA-CDs, and despite this app being 90% there toward being something awesome he could use; he won't.

So I think that's what I mean by Step 1; developing "niche" software like Freeform or Apple Music Classical isn't an obvious step for Apple. They won't get insane metrics for these apps. They won't drive measurable revenue. But I really deeply believe that this kind of niche investment is what separates companies like Microsoft and Apple from companies like Google; as they say about Google, if its not a billion dollar business it won't even get a team. Microsoft and Apple do understand the insane power of network effects, and the power that solving one niche really freakin well can have on bringing customers into the fold of their platforms, and keeping them there. Microsoft for M365 and Apple for their consumer software.

I think that's the era we're entering in software; we've solved a ton of the problems that have "100M users" as their TAM. As an example: note taking. Its solved. It can be iteratively improved, but everyone has their favorite app, we switch every once in a while, and its best for me that that improvement happens within the context of a platform I've already adopted. Large software companies should really be open to moving down the TAM ladder; what problems do 10M people have? 1M? Freeform is one stab at that: diagramming and flowcharts. But we also can't accept these apps having 10x fewer features or 10x less quality just because they have a 10x smaller TAM; software is multiplicative, and potentially exponential now that we have generative AI capable of helping out.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#189
post #111

How is Apple Music playback on Amazon Echo devices? Does Apple have anything as nice as Spotify Connect? My current setup is that I have an Echo Dot connected by the line out to my A/V receiver, with the microphone turned off. With Spotify Connect the Spotify on my computer or phone can tell the Spotify on the Dot to play a song, album, or playlist. The Spotify on the Dot then streams that music from Spotify. I can t…

This is a very niche and very specific workflow you have. Spotify is the only thing that can do what you want as far as I know.

Ironically Apple used to offer a product to do this more than a decade ago, the Apple Airport Express. It's a wifi access point with a line out. You can still pick one up for ~$20 on eBay and I believe it will still work with Apple music as a target device.

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