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I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by SamBorick »

Reason077 wrote: post #74

C’mon, he’s still using a phone from 2016 (which was the low-end model even in 2016), and by his own admission it’s still pretty usable for most things. I think that’s a pretty good run. All the Android users I know have been through at least 3 or 4 phones in that period. And so have some of the iPhone users who obsessively upgrade every 2 years even though they don’t need to! (Typing this on an iPhone X from 2017…)

The hardware is still working. I think it's reasonable that the software should continue to work until the hardware is physically incapable of booting. An entire industry deciding that hardware "should" only last 6 years is shameful.

(Typing this on a macbook pro 2012)

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by TeMPOraL »

seqizz wrote: post #33
traverseda wrote: post #7

I'd like to see "right to downgrade" put in to law, if I buy a product I should have the option to have it run older firmware, or play an older version of a game I bought.

So should we force product owners to support multiple older versions of clients, even though the backend is progressed? Who will pay for this extra cost, the users who don't upgrade their devices? I don't think so. Do every rule has to be written, or does writing them into law makes it logical every time? App owners can add "we only support client versions which is max 6 months older than current stable version" to t…

We should force product owners to stop designing their products as thin clients of server-side APIs. Then there won't be any support costs for older devices.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by ericpauley »

Aromasin wrote: post #139
ericpauley wrote: post #129

The analysis of phone lifetimes based on software support is dubious. Apple generally supports groups of devices together that are similar hardware. Given iPhones 12-14 are virtually identical I’d expect these will all lose support around the same time. Generally, this article is apple hate on steroids!! Apple is still releasing security updates for a 7-year-old device; name a mainstream android phone that’s doing th…

I was trying to find an answer to your question and found a great website I thought I should share, documenting when Samsung EOL their devices. Oldest mobile device (not including smart watches) to have security updates is the Galaxy C7 from 2017. Genuine device support only extends as far back as 2019 to the Samsung S10 though. I found Apple's list also, which I'll share below. https://endoflife.date/samsung-mobile…

For comparison, iOS 12 just received a security update, and supports the iPhone 5S from 2013.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by bmicraft »

mdiesel wrote: post #152
V1ndaar wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny. I'm still on a OnePlus 6 and I see similar bizarre freezes as OP when I open the photo gallery. Or just when starting the camera often I have to wait 15-20s before the phone realizes that I have pictures. Sometimes when swiping through the gallery it will become excessively slow and stop reacting to panning / swiping / zooming. It's what is driving me close to grabbing a new phone at some point this year.

OnePlus 6T here and finally thinking it's time to step up. My previous phone was the OnePlus 2T so seems right to go up to the 10T now and do every 4 versions. I've not had anything quite that drastic, but there are definitely a few small niggles I think I'll notice once they're not there. Main reason I think I'll upgrade is the usb port is becoming quite sensitive, it's 50/50 if it likes a particular cable now

They skipped the 4/4T series because of some superstition about the number 4, which makes the 6T 3 years behind 2T

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by hankchinaski »

>You decided that if less than 1% of your users use a certain old device, it’s no longer relevant. Which is odd, because to many businesses, 1% of users can make the difference between profit or loss.

If that 1% of customers are as stingy as you are, they are probably right on ignoring you

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by SamBorick »

patwolf wrote: post #82

It's not just phones. Yesterday I tried to dust off a MacBook Air from 2012 so that the kids could play some games. It was used regularly up until 3 years ago, but now pretty much all software is broken, and it won't let me upgrade anything. Hopefully there's a Linux distro that will work on it.

I'm currently running KDE Neon on a MBP 2012, and I've installed linux on a few apple devices from that era. The nvidia drivers can be a struggle, and wifi drivers have to be configured manually.

But the performance is awesome!

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by everdrive »

terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

Most of the apologetics in this reply are unintentional workarounds which either don’t function in a number of cases, or else are unlikely to work in the future as Apple updates their practices. (ie, they will not preserve functionality which was never originally intended.)

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by CamperBob2 »

scarface74 wrote: post #184
NikolaNovak wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in principle but reality is more complex. I am an android / windows user. After several years I splurged for an expensive brand new iPad specifically to run music apps such as behringer deepmind (which integrates with their synth). Couple of weeks later iPad silently installed some os update. Half my apps stopped working! They were apparently incompatible with the current OS and I needed to "contact app devel…

Unless you specifically enabled it, iOS does not get automatically updated.

They might have enabled it without understanding what could (and did) happen. Victim-blaming isn't the answer here -- that was a genuine clusterfuck that hosed a lot of working installations for no good reason.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by jonnycomputer »

vbarrielle wrote: post #180

I think the blame can be put on the closed ecosystems of phones. On laptops and desktops, with the possibility to install any OS, it's more often possible to meet the requirements of up-to-date frameworks using the same hardware. My laptop is from 2010 and is still running everything I want, it's up to date and responsive. With the current hardware of phones, and even their hardware of 6 years ago, I don't see any re…

and app markets
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