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I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by tiagod »

arbuge wrote: post #15

> Now you may think that it’s slow as mud in a pond. But, contrary to my experience with previous models, the iPhone SE actually got faster with iOS updates! ... > Starting some apps takes really long, like 10–20 seconds. ... > Some apps get slow and unresponsive Resetting my phone helped, but then within a week or two, the same apps are slow again. Rather contradictory article.

I don't think it's necessarily contradictory. Apps could get slower with their own updates (more bloat, less efficiency due to testing on newer devices) while the OS itself gets more efficient.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by pbmonster »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #125
philipphutterer wrote: post #112

the whole planet upgrade their electronics at least every decade is just an obviously stupid thing and not enough people talk about it This is so true! How can we developers make this a bigger thing? Isn't there a market for this by now?

I do not understand how it is an "obviously stupid thing". Technology advances quite a bit in 10 years, or at least it did from 1990s to 2010s. Not to mention that the newer devices yield considerable utility and efficiencies that make older devices redundant.

> or at least it did from 1990s to 2010s.

You write it yourself. Up to the 2010s.

The majority of phone users use zero features - with the possible exception of the camera sensor - that where not also available at very high quality in 2013.

For phones, I currently see zero reason for further hardware upgrades.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by dmix »

wiredfool wrote: post #48
terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

Ipad Mini2 owner here. Twitter doesn't work. Their app now shows _maybe_ 5% of tweets that my logged in user does. Safari is slow as crap on the website. Google voice still rings and shows notifications, but can't function because no updates are available and something in the api is broken. A non-zero number of sites show no-css warnings or just crash because it's an old JS interpreter. (HN though -- it's still rocki…

FWIW the $600 iPad Air is a wonderful device. It’s light, extremely fast, and the battery lasts forever compared to my older iPad and Samsung tablets.

There’s a lot to be said about software longevity but the gains made by Apple’s newer CPU/SOCs is really impressive and noticeable day-to-day.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by eddieroger »

popol12 wrote: post #108
Reason077 wrote: post #74

C’mon, he’s still using a phone from 2016 (which was the low-end model even in 2016), and by his own admission it’s still pretty usable for most things. I think that’s a pretty good run. All the Android users I know have been through at least 3 or 4 phones in that period. And so have some of the iPhone users who obsessively upgrade every 2 years even though they don’t need to! (Typing this on an iPhone X from 2017…)

It wasn't low end ! It was released with the same flagship SoC that was inside the last iPhone released (iPhone 7)

It is the cheapest of the phones they offer. It is literally the low end of the range. It has the same chip, but older everything else. It's OK for something to be the low end - it has a market and a purpose. It isn't a slam against the device.

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Post by jjulius »

terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

>If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps.

And if the app developer has updated the app and sunsetted certain functions of the old version such that the old app no longer works right despite being installed?

I've had banking apps, which I haven't updated, completely lock me out until I moved to the newer version.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by xbar »

"For no apparent reason, Safari acts like there’s no internet connection. Rebooting solves that until a week later."

My iPhone 13 Pro does this all the time when I'm not on Wifi. Time to visit the Apple store and make them give me a free phone. Is it actually a phone problem? Doubtful. But they should pay. Oh yes, they will pay (by providing a replacement under their silly-expensive replacement plan).

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

I buy a discount old non-iPhone from Target for $29. When I drop it and it's destroyed, I drop by Target and get another one.

I have in my lifetime spent less than 10% of one iPhone on phones total.

It runs maybe half as fast as a current phone. At 3% of the price.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by dmix »

xbar wrote: post #146

"For no apparent reason, Safari acts like there’s no internet connection. Rebooting solves that until a week later." My iPhone 13 Pro does this all the time when I'm not on Wifi. Time to visit the Apple store and make them give me a free phone. Is it actually a phone problem? Doubtful. But they should pay. Oh yes, they will pay (by providing a replacement under their silly-expensive replacement plan).

What about Chrome? Or is it general connectivity?

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by l72 »

terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

Really? My ipad became e-waste because HBO, Hulu, and Netflix all released new versions of their apps for the new version of iOS, and then decided to cut the old versions off from their services. The old versions all show an error telling me to upgrade to a new version, which I can't do. The sole purpose of this ipad was for media consumption.

I then thought I would use my ipad as a Shopify POS terminal for my side business when I do pop-ups. I obviously didn't want any of my personal information on _that_, so I reset it and created a new apple id. Except, you can't download any apps! Apple only allows you to download the latest support version of an app IF you had already downloaded it.

This meant first installing on a device with the latest version of iOS. So I began backing up my iPhone 12, resetting it, signing in with the new business apple id, downloading the apps I needed, resetting it, and restoring it with my personal account.

THEN I was allowed to download the latest supported app on my ipad. Success!! Well, no, because the latest supported version of the Shopify POS says I have to upgrade to a new version to use it, which my ipad doesn't support...

So, back to e-waste...

The article is right. Blame us developers for:

  1. Requiring the latest OS instead of lastest-2.
  2. Cutting off older versions of our software from our services.
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