A bit of an aside here, but I signed up for ChatGPT+ yesterday to access GPT4 and it's extremely slow, to the point of being almost unusable for me. Is this everyone's experience?
Yes its very slow.
Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
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Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't have to be sentient. It doesn't need to be better at creating software than humans. It needs to be cheap and good enough. Most apps and websites are pretty similar, eg, blogs, storefronts. We have whitelabel apps and websites already, they're about to become a lot more customisable by a lot more people. It's the same as IKEA, it's not as good quality as a handcrafted table from the 1800s. But it works well…
The OP was describing their work on network code, not whitelabel websites. The work of making whitelabel websites was already hollowed out by firms in cheap markets (India, SE Asia). A calculator didn't make mathematicians obsolete. It aided in the creation of more complex mathematicians.
Sure but it did make calculators and computers obsolete.
My mom was a computer in a bank. That was the name of her job.
Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#83These GPT programs literally don't know what the code does (or the meaning of their output in general). They are Large Language Models. They just know (roughly) how to make responses in a particular language that make sense (english, C++, wingdings). They do not understand the "sense that is made" however. This requires subject matter experts, like yourself, to use and implement. These LLM are tools. They are not sen…
People that post all this sky is falling nonsense about LLMs seem to be working in some alternate reality where all developers do is produce simple code in a vacuum without any external inputs, needing to maintain it, expand it, etc.
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#84My day job involves working on a B2B CRUD-ish application, which is a market leader in a certain niche. Almost all of the difficult problems I face when developing software is not from the code writing part. It's things like deciphering what the customer needs, it's picking a good architecture for a new module or selecting an appropriate algorithm depending on various trade-offs, and figuring out how to integrate new…
> It's things like deciphering what the customer needs, it's picking a good architecture for a new module or selecting an appropriate algorithm depending on various trade-offs, and figuring out how to integrate new features into existing in-production code with minimal disruptions.
Such a good description/summary. I’d love to use ChatGPT but the problems I solve on a day to day basis are almost never of the form “write some simple code to solve this well defined problem”
Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#85History is full of inventions that changed the game for the people in a specific industry. Sometimes they allowed one person managing the machines to replace a team previously doing manual labor. I don’t think that’s the right metaphor here, because programming is not manual labor. The parts of programming that are like manual labor will disappear, you’ll instruct the AI to do it for you. But you need to know what to…
Have you tried GPT4?
Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#86I wouldn't worry. It's code output is 50% garbage. I'm not in fear of my job. All the hypsters assuming this will destroy lawyers, accountants, doctors etc clearly don't understand correctness isn't something they can just tag on to a prediction machine.
Can you show me sample prompts where GPT4 gives garbage? I am yet to find one.
>Can you show me sample prompts where GPT4 gives garbage? I am yet to find one.
Agreed. GPT-3 and GPT-3.5 commonly hallucinate. GPT-4 can certainly be made to behave badly, but on real questions I've put to GPT-4 it has a 0% hallucination rate. The few wrong answers it has given have been "sensibly wrong" in that it's highly likely an experienced human programmer would have made the same mistake (eg lots of Stack Overflow answers are wrong in the same way), and even its wrong answers have been helpful in guiding me towards the correct solution.
These occasional, "sensibly wrong" GPT-4 answers are fundamentally different from the correctly formatted academic bibliography citations for technical papers that never existed, by authors that never existed, in journals that never existed hallucinated "answers" I've received from GPT-3 and GPT-3.5.
Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you show me sample prompts where GPT4 gives garbage? I am yet to find one.
I was trying to create an AWS IAM policy restricted to assumed roles. I didn't know you can't use assumed roles in principalArn conditions blocks but must refer to the IAM role instead. Gpt4 happily wasted an hour by shuffling the conditions around etc instead of telling me this. Sometimes it's policies were even malformed, and in all cases they didn't work.
Did you try giving GPT4 the relevant documentation akong with your query?
Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#88The test that showed it getting 0 easy codeforces problems right after its training date basically proves it’s just better Google search. Did google search delete software jobs? Nope. I think it actually increased the number.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> his is the first time I've seen it applied to programming. Programming is just a means to an end. I've never considered programming to be an industry. C++ versus Pascal mindset. :) > This is the first time I've seen it applied to programming. Programming is just a means to an end. I've never considered programming to be an industry. Yes and no. It did not replace the good accountants who actually orchestrated the w…
Incredibly arrogant, disrespectful, and false. Junior devs who actually write code are beneath you and don't use "analytical thinking" or have to understand processes or dependencies? Ridiculous. GPT-4 can do all of that stuff. Probably as well or better than you. If you think you still are better, can you do it literally for 24 hours a day? How about 3-6 months from now, are you going to become 50-500% faster/better…
> Junior devs who actually write code are beneath you and don't use "analytical thinking" or have to understand processes or dependencies?
They're hardly given a chance to do so when all they're getting is tickets to turn design X or API spec Y into code with no allowance given to make it better. Yes, that's not the workflow in all orgs, but there's a lot of organisations where most people aren't expected or allowed to be creative until they're far up the foodchain. And those will be the first to lay off what they consider meatbag machines. Think Oracle, Accenture, IBM, etc.
With regards to your personal attacks, have a nicer day than you seem to have had until now.
Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4
#90I'm definitely very worried mainly because I still have several years until even "lean" financial independence.
Thinking about switching to a better paid job and / or starting a side-project that would be able to generate semi-passive income.
I'm surprised the majority of devs don't see this as a threat. Check out r/cscareerquestions or r/programming, the general mood is people ridiculing the prospects of AI having impact on jobs / wages.