I did not expect for him to end up blaming app developers
Especially when android seems to be demonstrably better at keeping apps working on old OS's.
I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
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Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#62Apple is making you use a new phone by dropping support for it in their OS updates.
The fact that this happens at all anywhere at any time at any place for any reason, and can't just install an update yourself should be unacceptable and legislated against
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#63If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
Ipad Mini2 owner here. Twitter doesn't work. Their app now shows _maybe_ 5% of tweets that my logged in user does. Safari is slow as crap on the website. Google voice still rings and shows notifications, but can't function because no updates are available and something in the api is broken. A non-zero number of sites show no-css warnings or just crash because it's an old JS interpreter. (HN though -- it's still rocki…
> The replacement is an 800eur ipad, because it's now effectively a pro model rather than the cheap one, and I'm not sure I can justify that.
I find this hard to believe. A $300 iPad mini 2 from 2015 is comparable in specs to an 800 Euro 2023 iPad Pro?
Edit: Actually, you can compare them directly on Apple’s website:
https://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/?modelList=ipad-mini-2,ip...
Even the current iPad mini (6th gen) blows the iPad mini 2 out of the water.
https://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/?modelList=ipad-mini-2,ip...
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#64Apple is making you use a new phone by dropping support for it in their OS updates. The fact that this happens at all anywhere at any time at any place for any reason, and can't just install an update yourself should be unacceptable and legislated against
Apple supports the phones for 7 years, the current proposals floating around the EU are to mandate 4 years. They also don’t break anything, the apple services all continue to work forever, it’s 3rd party devs who drop support for older api versions. Nothing makes them do this.
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#65On a similar note, I have a Motorola G8+, Android 10. It has 4GB of RAM, plenty of free space in storage, and the CPU isn't actually that bad still. The battery is in good condition. A brand new phone doesn't necessarily have any better stats. For some reason, it is slow . As in, it will still usually run apps at full speed, the framerate in a flight sim is just as high as before etc, but then it will just freeze up…
This is caused by the emmc storage inside getting slower due to wearing out. emmc firmwares are universally crap at wear levelling, so after a few years use a card that could read/write data at 200 Mbytes/sec before might now be as low as 2 Mbytes per second for reading the most read/written sectors. The effect is compounded by the fact that modern apps are larger, taking up more RAM and flash storage. That in turn m…
I just benchmarked the storage on my phone, and it seems fine. But I'm guessing the benchmark doesn't touch the most heavily-worn parts of the storage.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#66If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
I wish it was that simple. I use a 4th gen iPod touch, every day, only to listen to music while commuting. Just this week I needed an interval timer, and thought that I could just install one on my iPod.
Nope - AppStore showed about 12 results for "interval timer", but none of them were installable on iOS 6. I thought then I will look for an online interval timer, and use it through wifi. After clicking through the first 3 pages of Google results, Safari could not make any of the pages usable. Either loaded a blank screen, or the interface didn't react to the touches - I guess some "fancy" new features that are too modern for the old Safari.
I could rant about loading 10MB JS on a typical lightweight site that has the same visuals and functionality as 15 years ago, but now it makes Chrome cry on a modern machine... but I won't do that.
Anyway this is how I gave up having an interval timer on my iPod. Maybe my plan was too grandiose to begin with. Neither new software, nor old software.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#67Apple is making you use a new phone by dropping support for it in their OS updates. The fact that this happens at all anywhere at any time at any place for any reason, and can't just install an update yourself should be unacceptable and legislated against
Lol. I’ve had Samsung and Pixel phones that never received updates to newer Android versions, not even to the next version that came out while the phone was still being sold.
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#68Says it's a perfectly functioning phone and then lists how it's not because it's old and got worn out. apps requiring later versions is an issue but the % of people on old iOS versions is really quite small. It makes no sense to waste development time on implementing something for <1% of customers on iOS 14, when you could use a newer API in one line of code.
It’s not just apps requiring later versions, it’s apps using more and more memory due to the use of ever-more bloated frameworks and the like.
The vast majority of these apps would’ve run fine on a computer from the 1980’s running at a handful of MHz in mere kilobytes of RAM, if they were optimized. But they use the trendiest frameworks and require gigabytes of RAM and gigahertz of clock cycles to run their todo-list (or whatever it is they do).
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#69It's called Capitalism :)
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#70If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
That is just not always a possibility especially if you use apps that connect to online services, this is something that has quite recent come up again as Steam is ending support for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 in nine months which have caused some uproar in that community. I am surprised that the post about that have not gained any traction on here [0] since to touches the same topic as this one [0]: https://news.ycombinat…
Windows 7 and 8 are both EOL by Microsoft. I don't think it's unreasonable of valve to drop support for OS's that Microsoft aren't maintaining, and the hardware requirements for 7 and 10 are the same today according to MS [0][1]. For a while you could officially upgrade to win10 for free, and it seems that even now, it still works 5 years after they stopped offering upgrades, and 3 years after win7's end of life.
I'm not sure what your gripe is here specifically, if you want to continue to run steam, you can upgrade your OS once a decade, or you can install steam for Linux if your device doesn't meet the requirements. That's about as good a set of options as I could imagine.
[0] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-syste...
[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-7-system...