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Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by wizofaus »

MrGilbert wrote: post #89
krapp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how commerce works. As soon as AI can generate a commercially viable product, in less time and for less cost, human content ceases to have any commercial value, and as AI becomes ubiquitous it becomes normalized in pop culture. Appreciation comes with the inevitable cycle of one generation being born native to a paradigm shift rejecting the standards of the old guard. And it won't just be classical, it will be a…

We have machines that can produce clothing, yet there are people out there that buy custom tailored clothing. AI can generate images, yet people will go out there and buy something custom made. I think manufactories will become much more important and expand into more areas. Which means that hand-made music will just be much more expensive, and your "off-the-shelf"-production will be way cheaper.

Exactly - in fact, once AIs/automation are capable of achieving all the necessary production of goods/services for a universally high material standard of living, then I'd imagine choosing to handcraft works of art and share them with others (potentially in exchange for money) will become as popular as it's ever been, if not more so.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by nine_k »

nordsieck wrote: post #103
lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

> I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). Could you expand on this a bit? I am very much a track oriented person. Why do you think it would be better to force/encourage people to buy albums?

Classical works very often come as a whole, with 3-4 particular "tracks" marking parts of that whole. It would be like selling a books by chapter.

OTOH maybe it would work. The Moonlight sonata underwent this, and the first track of the album is well-known and iconic, the third track is also widely recognized, but the second track is much more obscure.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by jshaqaw »

wizofaus wrote: post #118
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #106

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Lmao, classical and jazz are the two simplest forms of music. Without any lyrics to generate its basically just generating some simple patterns in basic instruments. There’s no way you’d be able to tell.

> classical and jazz are the two simplest forms of music Uh, have you actually listened to any of it? At all? There are some non-Western traditional types of music I'd agree can have a level of complexity not usually encountered within the Western classical or jazz genres, but it's fair to say all over forms of Western music are vastly simpler in terms of harmonic language, tonality, form/ structure, instrumentation…

Which music forms are you referring to?

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by troad »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

This looks ok, but I can't be the only person suffering Content Fatigue. Between access to infinite music, infinite movies and TV, infinite gaming, and infinite news - and that's just leisure - I'm not sure how much time I have left for a finite life.

Run with the assumption that everything is always infinitely available, and become judicious with your attention. Boring podcast? Don't think twice, delete it. Good TV show, but not amazing? Move on, there's better out there. You won't even remember its name in a year. Book dragging on in the middle? Skip ahead.

Every now and again you'll find something you want to give a chance to, and for those things do slow down, take it in. But don't waste that on any random thing just because it's new and being pushed hard by some giant media conglomerate.

Or alternatively give it five-ten years before you engage with any cultural product. Time is a very effective filter for quality.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by csw-001 »

easyThrowaway wrote: post #78
echelon wrote: post #48

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> But unfortunately, this wont change the fact that the classical recording industry is dying and that the sector is only surviving thanks to public and private subsidies. Bet $100 that all classical music will be AI generated (synthesized and composed) in just three years. Supply side will be infinite.

Why would anyone want to listen to it then? what would be the point? The acoustic equivalent of a screensaver?

> Why would anyone want to listen to it then? what would be the point? The acoustic equivalent of a screensaver?

I would think they would want to listen to it for the same reason they listen to human generated music.

Is your thought here that AI generated art is not art? Is it the nature of the creator that determines the listeners enjoyment? If the music generated by a computer is indistinguishable from human made music, how can this be possible? Moreover, at what point would the computer generation be sufficient to shift it from art to “screensaver”? Would it be one simulated member of an otherwise human orchestra? Would it take 50%. If you can’t draw a line, doesn’t that further indicate it’s irrelevant?

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by _cenw »

jon-wood wrote: post #93
mrkwse wrote: post #77

I'm really keen to dive into this however as someone knee deep in the ecosystem it's baffling that it doesn't have proper native integration with Apple TV/HomePod. You can Airplay with your phone as the source, but not with the receiving device being the source (which is typically a nicer and more reliable approach as some phone applications can interrupt the streamed audio).

I was also really excited for this, coming from the angle of someone who's never really got into classical music. It seemed like a nice opportunity to dig into it a bit with some (hopefully) good curation. The lack of a macOS app is baffling to me, most of my music listening is done while working, using the nice pair of wired headphones I have connected to the dock on my desk, but apparently Apple think I'll only wan…

There is no iPad app. It runs in iPhone compatability mode.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by lelag »

tkgally wrote: post #57
tgv wrote: post #37

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I've used Idagio for 6 months. They have a reasonable interface, good performances and sound quality, but their catalog is indeed limited. There are hundreds of performances of the same well-known works, but there's not (very) much beyond it. I've discovered about 100 fairly unknown composers through YouTube that I consider quite good, but many of them are missing from Idagio, or are listed with one or two works. The…

> I still buy albums (mostly from prestomusic, in case someone wants to know) I buy my classical music from Presto Music, too. The purchase process is easy, and maybe the performers get a bit more than from streaming. I suspect that purchasing music files to own will seem increasingly strange and inconvenient to younger people, though.

Yes, that's what I wanted to address and in the same way Steam address it with video games. You buy albums but you get the convenience of streaming services with no additional fees forever. Same as with Steam, I expected users to keep buying album regularity even if they didn't listen to them much. (cue seasonal sales etc...)

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by _cenw »

Veen wrote: post #36
graphcolorer wrote: post #32

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It's perfectly reasonable for Western people to use "Classical" as a shorthand for "Western Classical". It's easy enough to apply a modifier if we want to talk about Indian Classical or Persian Classical or whatever. It doesn't mean we don't care about music from other areas, just that the default is to refer to our own musical traditions. The same is true of people from India and Iran—Indians are usually India-centr…

US culture is exported everywhere, so it is only fair to ask for accuracy.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by lelag »

nordsieck wrote: post #103
lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

> I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). Could you expand on this a bit? I am very much a track oriented person. Why do you think it would be better to force/encourage people to buy albums?

Mostly what pell said.

The idea was to make the product "the album" again. In the past, the buying experience of a physical product was important to make it a powerful and personal experience: you had nice artwork, leaflet with information about the music you bought, bio of the performers etc. I wanted to try to recover some of that.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by amacbride »

It’s definitely not perfect, but I’m enjoying it, as someone who has been unhappy with Spotify’s haphazard approach to classical music.

I was exploring the “Harpsichord“ category and Bach’s Toccata No. 6 in G Minor, and saw a performance by Glenn Gould: “Glen Gould on the harpsichord? Oh, how interesting! [listens] How...not a harpsichord.”

So there are still a few bugs to be worked out.

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