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I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by pch00 »

terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

> I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device.

The fact that "it still works" isn't the only consideration though - it's the security posture. There's plenty of remotely-exploitable flaws in that software stack from 2013.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by erk__ »

mnw21cam wrote: post #9
erk__ wrote: post #2

For some reason auto scroll (middle mouse scroll) just breaks on this site which is rather annoying, it just seems to always want to scroll horizontally. Does anyone have an idea why this happens? Edit: After having a look it seems to be because of the use of `overflow: auto` which seems to default to `overflow: scroll` on Firefox.

Must be some Javascript you're allowing the page to run, because it works fine for me.

I checked with Javascript disabled and it did not make any difference, so I think it is just Firefox being a big strange with the overflow parameter.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by binarymax »

I have an iPhone 6s. I’m in the same boat. Yesterday the capital one app warned me to update as my iOS version is no longer supported. Well, I can’t.

I really don’t want to get a new phone. I’m considering just going with a feature phone to cut down on screen time…but I’ll need something that supports Authenticator or MFA one time code gen.

I’m in the denial phase of the 6 stages of grief with this thing.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

Because nobody cared about going offline first, all those apps are now clients of API that will eventually being deprecated, breaking everything.

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Post by hdhrufjdi »

terhechte wrote: post #8

If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…

> Those were maybe 1000-2000 of the one million. Adding a constant additional workload of up to 30% (you also have to run CI and everything on older devices) for 1000-2000 users is just not feasible.

This mentality is one of the reasons why there's only such much people with older phones.

> If you want to continue to use older hardware, just accept that you also have to use older software.

I don't think we should accept that easily, because after all there are physical (somewhat finite) resources and external costs such as green house gas emissions involved when new hardware gets produced.

Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one

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Post by favsq »

magic_hamster wrote: post #17
traverseda wrote: post #7

I'd like to see "right to downgrade" put in to law, if I buy a product I should have the option to have it run older firmware, or play an older version of a game I bought.

I don't think anyone is stopping you from using an older version of a game or older firmware, given you can obtain them (legally) and you're ok with the limitations this might impose. For example, if you're not on the latest version of a multiplayer game, you might not be allowed to play. On older firmwares you might not get full access to the application store. Etc. The point is, you don't need a law, but it might n…

Most phones don't allow you to downgrade your version of the OS. Definitely iPhone doesn't.
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