Welcome to the sum of all the local incentives. There are precious few who will serve a market for little or no profit, leaving most actors chasing the next sale/upgrade/market and rounding off the long tail of consumers who have little or no revenue potential. Face it, you are essentially worthless to the entire chain, except advertisers, so you'll be getting...uh bupkiss.
I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
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Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#12I feel your pain. I also had to give up my 2017 iPhone SE, too bad. The good thing is that I managed to change the battery myself at least 3 or 4 times, effectively extending its lease. I have since then picked up an iPhone 12 mini, which is only slightly larger and I love it.
What’s wrong with the old SE? I still use mine daily. (Indeed I had to replace the battery too.)
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#13If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
Hard agree. I was happy running old iOS. Until my banking app required me to upgrade my phone. If it wasn't for this, I'd still be running with my iPhone 7.
I also used my Samsung S2 way beyond reasonable terms, think maybe 6 years I have used that one and it was still perfectly usable when I switched to iPhone. It's my festival phone now.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#14I'd like to see "right to downgrade" put in to law, if I buy a product I should have the option to have it run older firmware, or play an older version of a game I bought.
I was recently surprised to learn the Google app repository browser doesn't let you do that. If you use apps that are also on f-droid, it might be better to install from there to avoid being locked into a new version that you don't like. Or make backups so you have the old apk and can restore the data directory as well (iirc it doesn't let you keep that upon downgrading).
For system images, it's a bit harder. I don't really have a good solution that would downgrade the OS without also restoring an old app state.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#15> Now you may think that it’s slow as mud in a pond. But, contrary to my experience with previous models, the iPhone SE actually got faster with iOS updates!
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> Starting some apps takes really long, like 10–20 seconds.
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> Some apps get slow and unresponsive Resetting my phone helped, but then within a week or two, the same apps are slow again.
Rather contradictory article.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#16If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
It's one thing if you already have the app and just stop updating it.
My experience with the iOS App Store has been that if you only just now heard of the app and your phone's too old, you can't even download the version that works for your phone.
That is what ends up forcing an upgrade. That people's phones can't run the newest version of an app, and aren't allowed to get an old version as a substitute.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#17I'd like to see "right to downgrade" put in to law, if I buy a product I should have the option to have it run older firmware, or play an older version of a game I bought.
I don't think anyone is stopping you from using an older version of a game or older firmware, given you can obtain them (legally) and you're ok with the limitations this might impose. For example, if you're not on the latest version of a multiplayer game, you might not be allowed to play. On older firmwares you might not get full access to the application store. Etc. The point is, you don't need a law, but it might not be easy to get an older version running.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#18If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
That is just not always a possibility especially if you use apps that connect to online services, this is something that has quite recent come up again as Steam is ending support for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 in nine months which have caused some uproar in that community. I am surprised that the post about that have not gained any traction on here [0] since to touches the same topic as this one
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#19Trust me. Developers don't like having to update and rebundle their apps every year.
Re: I don’t want a new phone, but I’m probably buying one
#20If they want to use an old phone, they can just stop updating their apps and not installing new apps. I still own a iPad 3 with the same, old, software stack from 2013. It still works, I can do things. I just don't expect todays developers to make a herculean effort so that I can run their apps on my old device. It is not just the overhead of supporting multiple different OS versions with different technologies, it i…
Until the app says "we don't support versions older than X" and stops working I assume?