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Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by gregwebs »

lynx23 wrote: post #80

192kHz/24 bit, what a wonderful piece of snakeoil... What do they actually record with this frequency, bats talking to each other about classical music?

It’s not that high- some music streams with higher sampling frequencies and bit depths.

The main snake oil phenomenon that goes on is up sampling cd quality recordings to these levels. That doesn’t accomplish much other than confusion.

Certainly the majority of systems out there are not high end enough to appreciate higher quality recordings unless they are wired headphones (a quality setup there doesn’t cost too much).

Re: Apple Music Classical

#92

Post by ModernMech »

krapp wrote: post #84
planb wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not how art or human appreciation for it works...

It's how commerce works. As soon as AI can generate a commercially viable product, in less time and for less cost, human content ceases to have any commercial value, and as AI becomes ubiquitous it becomes normalized in pop culture. Appreciation comes with the inevitable cycle of one generation being born native to a paradigm shift rejecting the standards of the old guard. And it won't just be classical, it will be a…

> As soon as AI can generate a commercially viable product, in less time and for less cost, human content ceases to have any commercial value

Ever been to a craft show? An artist can sell a handmade bowl for $100 even though you can find an identical manufactured one at Target for $1.

Other examples: Chick-Fil-A markets their milkshakes as “hand spun”. Or when Dreamweaver started automating the layout of webpages, web devs started calling their websites “handmade”. It’s been possible to automate call centers for a long time now, but companies advertise the ability to speak to a human representative as a differentiating feature of their business.

There is value in having humans in the loop, despite automation. People just don’t trust robots.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#93

Post by jon-wood »

mrkwse wrote: post #77

I'm really keen to dive into this however as someone knee deep in the ecosystem it's baffling that it doesn't have proper native integration with Apple TV/HomePod. You can Airplay with your phone as the source, but not with the receiving device being the source (which is typically a nicer and more reliable approach as some phone applications can interrupt the streamed audio).

I was also really excited for this, coming from the angle of someone who's never really got into classical music. It seemed like a nice opportunity to dig into it a bit with some (hopefully) good curation. The lack of a macOS app is baffling to me, most of my music listening is done while working, using the nice pair of wired headphones I have connected to the dock on my desk, but apparently Apple think I'll only want to listen to classical music on a pair of AirPods, which while alright are not the best.

At the very least make a slight nod to the fact you own the entire stack from hardware to app and allow me to install the iPad app on my laptop.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#94

Post by johndill »

Looks nice but I have to play with it more. It has certainly been "Appleinzed". Playlists feature single movements of pieces that make little musical sense outside of the context of the whole composition they were meant to be a part of. For new users looking to dop their toes in the Classical world the absolute first, featured piece you see is Mahler's 9th symphony. Certainly not something new listeners would likely enjoy as a starter piece. Search looks good and the browse part offers good choices of the various genres. It imported all my classical albums and only my classical albums from Apple music. Good start

Re: Apple Music Classical

#95

Post by bowsamic »

easyThrowaway wrote: post #78
echelon wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But unfortunately, this wont change the fact that the classical recording industry is dying and that the sector is only surviving thanks to public and private subsidies. Bet $100 that all classical music will be AI generated (synthesized and composed) in just three years. Supply side will be infinite.

Why would anyone want to listen to it then? what would be the point? The acoustic equivalent of a screensaver?

Many people are so starved of any kind of creative education that they see art in purely a utilitarian point of view. It doesn't matter to them if a human made it, the outcome is the same. To them, yeah pretty much all art is like a screensaver

Re: Apple Music Classical

#96

Post by bowsamic »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

This looks ok, but I can't be the only person suffering Content Fatigue. Between access to infinite music, infinite movies and TV, infinite gaming, and infinite news - and that's just leisure - I'm not sure how much time I have left for a finite life.

That's really your responsibility

Re: Apple Music Classical

#97

Post by lynx23 »

highhedgehog wrote: post #88
lynx23 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I? They say 192kHz/24 bit, followed by the word lossless... Trust me, I am not confusing things, but they do. Here is the quote: > up to 192kHz/24-bit Hi-Res Lossless If this makes sense in your world, kudos!

It means that the audio is sampled at 192khz and each sample is 24bit, not that the audio is recorded with hardware capable of recording sounds up to 192KHz

I know about nyquest, do you? 192kHz sampling rate means the highest tone representable is 96kHz, which is roughly 80kHz more then what the average human can actually (still) perceive.

For audio-postprocessing, I might be convinced that there is a benefit of raising the sampling frequency that high, but for pure hi-fi consumers? No way. This is snakeoil.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#98

Post by johndill »

echelon wrote: post #48
lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

> But unfortunately, this wont change the fact that the classical recording industry is dying and that the sector is only surviving thanks to public and private subsidies. Bet $100 that all classical music will be AI generated (synthesized and composed) in just three years. Supply side will be infinite.

I'd have to disagree. Classical music would be the LAST thing AI could do well. Hard to but technique, nuance, opinion, interpretation, style and the greatest utterances of our troubled civilization into an algorithm. Pop, dance, rap, blaalads....maybe. Classical and Jazz? Never going to happen.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#99

Post by jzb »

snickmy wrote: post #67

I salut a major company focusing on classical music. That said, how many small startup / scale up will be dead in 1 year because of that ?

Are there start ups that you’re thinking of this competes with directly?

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by ar9av »

lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

I love how patient classical music fans are when people ask THE SAME QUESTION over and over and over again on forums as to why there’s a need for a separate classical music app. You classical music fans rock…
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