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Re: Can you buy the same ticket at a lower price if you buy it from another country?

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Post by eloisant »

WheatMillington wrote: post #91
yosito wrote: post #67

I've been flying internationally 10-15 times a year for ~10 years. Different routes and destinations each time. I've spent a lot of time searching for hacks like this that let me save a few bucks on flight tickets. Sometimes it works. Sometimes you find that a flight is cheaper depending on which country's website or currency you use to book. Flight tickets are priced dynamically using a variety of factors to determi…

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This is the reality of air travel, 90% of the flights (thus the CO2 emissions) are made by a handful of frequent travellers. Moreover those are very unlikely to be willing to cut on air travel for CO2 emission reasons.

So you shouldn't feel bad for your occasional air travel.

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Post by unsupp0rted »

pwgentleman wrote: post #157
unsupp0rted wrote: post #140

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Don’t take CO2 behavior instruction from people who have children. I can fly international 365 days a year for decades. But my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren will have 0 carbon footprint because they’ll never exist. Conversely, eat bugs and recycle coke cans if you want, but that’s a fraction of a fraction of a drop in the bucket if you’ve had even one kid.

How long term do you think this strategy is for the human kind? Does it span more than one generation?

Long term the population is flatlining and dropping and the price of renewable energy with it.

But even if it doesn't and even if we're forced to make hard choices, the hard choice won't be "should I skip my vacation flight?", it'll be "should I skip raising a CO2 machine?".

Re: Can you buy the same ticket at a lower price if you buy it from another country?

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Post by klntsky »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #140
WheatMillington wrote: post #91

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Don’t take CO2 behavior instruction from people who have children. I can fly international 365 days a year for decades. But my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren will have 0 carbon footprint because they’ll never exist. Conversely, eat bugs and recycle coke cans if you want, but that’s a fraction of a fraction of a drop in the bucket if you’ve had even one kid.

For every child you don't have I'm going to have two.

Re: Can you buy the same ticket at a lower price if you buy it from another country?

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Post by abliefern »

eloisant wrote: post #161
WheatMillington wrote: post #91

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This is the reality of air travel, 90% of the flights (thus the CO2 emissions) are made by a handful of frequent travellers. Moreover those are very unlikely to be willing to cut on air travel for CO2 emission reasons. So you shouldn't feel bad for your occasional air travel.

> So you shouldn't feel bad for your occasional air travel.

I don't understand the implied ethical rule behind this mentality. CO2 emissions are always a problem and to be avoided. What am I missing?

Re: Can you buy the same ticket at a lower price if you buy it from another country?

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Post by madsbuch »

pjc50 wrote: post #160
madsbuch wrote: post #125

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Synthetic fuels do not reduce emissions. The emissions are just not from fossil fuels. Or am I missing something?

I put "fossil emissions" in my original comment for a reason; things which are made from atmospheric CO2 and not fossil carbon, but then release CO2 again when used, are "net zero" and should not be counted unless you want to confuse people.

The normal person add fuel to their car and expects emission from the car.

The discourse on qualifying different forms of fuels is way more confusing.

It is also dangerous. If we allow marketing of "net-zero" fuels, fossil fuel companies will offset their fuel with CO2 certificates.

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Post by abliefern »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #140
WheatMillington wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Don’t take CO2 behavior instruction from people who have children. I can fly international 365 days a year for decades. But my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren will have 0 carbon footprint because they’ll never exist. Conversely, eat bugs and recycle coke cans if you want, but that’s a fraction of a fraction of a drop in the bucket if you’ve had even one kid.

Grandchildren and great-grandchildren don't factor in, we'll be close to carbon neutral by then anyway.

Re: Can you buy the same ticket at a lower price if you buy it from another country?

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Post by w-m »

haunter wrote: post #77

It's the same with train tickets in Europe! I live in Budapest and regularly have to go to Wien. If you buy the ticket from the hungarian railways it costs the half or less than compared to the austrian railways. Example: next monday Hungarian BP>Wien https://i.imgur.com/9rZgB8c.png Austrian BP>Wien https://i.imgur.com/mn95IrV.png Hungarian Wien>BP https://i.imgur.com/GymMOaW.png Austrian Wien>BP https://i.imgur.com/…

It's too bad that the Czech train hack doesn't seem to work any more: There's a train from Berlin to Prague that stops in Dresden. It used to be much cheaper to book the trip Berlin-Dresden with České dráhy, compared to the price you get with DB.

I think you also had to make it an international ticket to make it work, booking the journey from Berlin to the first station after the border. And then just leaving the train early, at your intended destination.

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Post by david-gpu »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #155
gpvos wrote: post #150

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So who's going to solve tomorrow's climate problems? A well-raised kid is one of the better ways to improve the future. Also, the way the human brain's reward system works, lots of people will say: I have no kids, now I can take an extra far-away holiday.

> So who's going to solve tomorrow's climate problems? All the kids that are being born anyway. But it's hypocritical to both have a kid and then malign me for using 1 millionth of the CO2 the decision to have a kid results in.

We as a society need people who will provide us with goods and services to as we grow too old to work. Those people are children today.

I will feel bad about the CO2 contributions of my children the day you feel bad about needing goods and services from them.

Re: Can you buy the same ticket at a lower price if you buy it from another country?

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Post by public_defender »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #140
WheatMillington wrote: post #91

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Don’t take CO2 behavior instruction from people who have children. I can fly international 365 days a year for decades. But my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren will have 0 carbon footprint because they’ll never exist. Conversely, eat bugs and recycle coke cans if you want, but that’s a fraction of a fraction of a drop in the bucket if you’ve had even one kid.

In addition to being toxic and irrelevant to the parent comments (who mentioned kids?), This argument is a red herring.

Of course if everyone dies, we mitigate anthropogenic climate change, but that doesn't really further our analysis of the issue. There is nothing inherent in children that uses carbon, it is human behavior in the context of petro-capitalism that uses carbon. If I have thirteen kids and they live on a farm cooperative, I'll be responsible for less carbon than the parent commenter.

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