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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by emsixteen »

lmm wrote: post #269
waboremo wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hasn't really been true. Apple supported iTunes and Safari which were great options on Windows. Not just "I'm already an Apple fan so I have to use it", but actively deciding to use them. The root of the problem for Apple is that they cannot get away with doing what they used to in the past, they already have a plethora of platforms within their own umbrella to support, adding Windows native to the mix seems to…

> Apple supported iTunes and Safari which were great options on Windows. Not just "I'm already an Apple fan so I have to use it", but actively deciding to use them. No they weren't. They were notoriously awful. Apple resorted to bundling Safari with QuickTime to try to get you to use it but everyone still hated it.

Nonsense, iTunes was great and got stick just for being iTunes.

300GB library around that time with no issue at all. Smart Playlists made all other players obsolete for me.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by kalleboo »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #244
waboremo wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hasn't really been true. Apple supported iTunes and Safari which were great options on Windows. Not just "I'm already an Apple fan so I have to use it", but actively deciding to use them. The root of the problem for Apple is that they cannot get away with doing what they used to in the past, they already have a plethora of platforms within their own umbrella to support, adding Windows native to the mix seems to…

So SwiftUI for Windows?

For QuickTime for Windows they ported a portion of the Classic Mac Toolbox to Windows to make it work.

For Safari Windows they ported a portion of Cocoa.

Having an internal Windows version of SwiftUI would not be unthinkable!

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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thiht wrote: post #159

I'd never use a password manager built by Apple for the same reason I don't use Chrome's password manager or Firefox's password manager. All these passwords managers have strong incentives for "working best on ™". I want a password manager independent from any platform like Bitwarden or 1Password, because it's actually valuable for THEM to target all the platforms they can.

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Post by tokamak-teapot »

lxgr wrote: post #220
great_psy wrote: post #209

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Can you explain how this hack would work ? Would someone need to steal two of your devices ? I was under the assumption that you need to be logged in with touchid/faceid/pin code to get the unlock code

The attack in this case would be somebody shoulder-surfing your PIN and grabbing your device. They then have everything they need to take over your iCloud account (kicking you out of it in the process by resetting all other devices capable of resetting it) and can see all your passwords stored in it, as well as use all of your WebAuthN passkeys. I'm not sure if having a recovery code would improve that situation, but…

I saw advice here a while back about using Screen Time to block PIN and Account updates. This gives you a separate PIN to protect those, so theoretically if someone shoulder surfs your phone PIN they can’t take over your iCloud account.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by hollowturtle »

I did a new mac setup recently and just discovered, after many years of use, that I cannot use 1 Password 7 anymore :( The app works it’s just they’re phasing out the browser “classic” extension with the excuse(?) it won’t work with the new manifest v3, so a migration to 1 password 8 is required. I hate their subscription model and I think I’ll self host bitwarden, but was also considering the system password manager, or the one builtin into Firefox. Problem is passwords won’t leave the browser ecosystem in this way and it’s more often than not that today you need to move password cross platform and cross device. So I don’t see an apple password manager as the best solution, they usually stay inside their walled garden

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by thiht »

sowbug wrote: post #311
thiht wrote: post #159

I'd never use a password manager built by Apple for the same reason I don't use Chrome's password manager or Firefox's password manager. All these passwords managers have strong incentives for "working best on ™". I want a password manager independent from any platform like Bitwarden or 1Password, because it's actually valuable for THEM to target all the platforms they can.

I don't understand. Chrome and Firefox don't have platforms. Which means they run pretty much everywhere they're allowed to. Apple is the only one of those three that restricts their software to hardware that only they sell. So in that case I do understand your position.

A browser is a platform. I have no easy way to use passwords saved in Chrome in Safari for example.

It matters to me because I use Firefox and Chrome on my work desktop, Safari and Firefox on my personal desktop, and Safari on my phone. And I want the ability to switch browser easily.

Same goes for Apple passwords, I still use Windows for some games, and I want to access my passwords easily.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by Jolter »

hollowturtle wrote: post #356

I did a new mac setup recently and just discovered, after many years of use, that I cannot use 1 Password 7 anymore :( The app works it’s just they’re phasing out the browser “classic” extension with the excuse(?) it won’t work with the new manifest v3, so a migration to 1 password 8 is required. I hate their subscription model and I think I’ll self host bitwarden, but was also considering the system password manager…

For your preferences, I’d propose Keepass. Maybe you’ve already looked into it.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by thih9 »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away!

I do: Cmd+space > "keychain" > Enter. Still not ideal but it's the fastest method I know. What do you mean, i.e. how do you access the GUI from the system settings? I tried finding keychain there but couldn't figure out where it is.

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