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ChatGPT outperforms crowd-workers for text-annotation tasks

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Is NLP a solved problem now?

Not sure why you got downvotes. It seems like it's a solved issue indeed. AI reasoning has still some way to go, but it seems language understanding is a finished subject.

Regurgitating training data trigram by trigram is not how human language processing works.

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Before you ask, because I was curious, from the paper: "For MTurk, we aimed to select the best available crowd-workers, notably by filtering for workers who are classified as “MTurk Masters” by Amazon, who have an approval rate of over 90%, and who are located in the US."

honestly i wonder if @dang will approve an auto summarizer bot on HN since it helps improves the quality of discussions. finetune on HN comments, anticipate the top few questions, and then answer from the source doc

I'm genuinely curious on which part of the comment above triggered such down votes, and why. Not that I support the ideas mentioned, I'm just curious.

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Curious here - OpenAI talks a LOT about how RLHF (Reinforcement Learning Through Human Feedback) is core to how GPT is tuned. Including safety. Are we getting to the point where GPT will be tuned by GPT without the need for HF ?

No. ChatGPT or any other LLM model requires to be trained on curated input in order to demonstrate anything useful. If you would train it on a stream of hallucinations, you would end up no better than hallucinatory noise. Already fooling some, though.

but isnt that a direct contradiction of this particular paper anyways - that chatgpt anyways outperforms human annotation.

so permit me to act as devil's advocate to your statement - prove that (in context of this paper), your hypothesis is still correct.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“LLMs can't to my knowledge process a request into a lookup on say an actual database of facts at the moment or parse a request into API actions.” Both Bing chat and ChatGPT plugins are examples of being able to do just this. You’re right about how they make up answers though, but humans are often quite prone to that too…

A human, if not incentivized to lie or directly incentivized to be truthful, could at least tell you when they're making something up themselves where Bing/Bard seemingly cannot. Once it can do that I think they'll be far more useful, at least then you can have a rough idea of how much you need to check the bots work. If I have to do that for every thing it spits out the best it can do for me is give me new words to…

> could at least tell you when they're making something up themselves where Bing/Bard seemingly cannot.

In fact GPT-4 is quite good at catching hallucinations when the question-answer pair is fed back to itself.

This isn’t automatically applied already because the model is expensive to run, but you can just do it yourself (or automate it with a plug-in or LangChain) and pay the extra cost.

Remember that the model only performs a fixed amount of computation per generated token, so just asking it to think out loud or evaluate its own responses is basically giving it a scratchpad to think harder about your question.

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Curious here - OpenAI talks a LOT about how RLHF (Reinforcement Learning Through Human Feedback) is core to how GPT is tuned. Including safety. Are we getting to the point where GPT will be tuned by GPT without the need for HF ?

Have to tune (hard-code) answers to some of those "gotchas" published on Twitter. Very core to give an impression of intelligence.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. ChatGPT or any other LLM model requires to be trained on curated input in order to demonstrate anything useful. If you would train it on a stream of hallucinations, you would end up no better than hallucinatory noise. Already fooling some, though.

but isnt that a direct contradiction of this particular paper anyways - that chatgpt anyways outperforms human annotation. so permit me to act as devil's advocate to your statement - prove that (in context of this paper), your hypothesis is still correct.

Why would I need to prove anything. The unproved claim is in the paper.

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Call me when server farms can reproduce on their own, and network together, and source electricity.

Crypto is actually the solution to that. Unlike traditional finance, you don't need a human to sign up under an account. So an AI can just keep it's own wallet and order humans to set up server farms.

GP was referring to all the messy physical work that it takes to stand up, operate and maintain a data center. This can most certainly not be done by any robotic technology today. Until that day comes, we can just pull the plug.

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My main take away here is that Turkers are terrible at some of these tasks. The "stance" task is, "Classify the tweet as having a positive stance towards Section 230, a negative stance, or a neutral stance.", and the Turkers accuracy was like 20%. Even in its best task, ChatGPT only got 75% accuracy.

I have long suspected that Turkers dishonestly perform the tasks. At 0.06 cents per task, you're really incentivizing "finish the task as quickly as possible"; and "press the left button" is a lot faster than "read the tweet, think about it, and classify".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. ChatGPT or any other LLM model requires to be trained on curated input in order to demonstrate anything useful. If you would train it on a stream of hallucinations, you would end up no better than hallucinatory noise. Already fooling some, though.

but isnt that a direct contradiction of this particular paper anyways - that chatgpt anyways outperforms human annotation. so permit me to act as devil's advocate to your statement - prove that (in context of this paper), your hypothesis is still correct.

The researchers in the paper used human-curated results to classify the accuracy of the GPT results. So it had that human in the loop.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. ChatGPT or any other LLM model requires to be trained on curated input in order to demonstrate anything useful. If you would train it on a stream of hallucinations, you would end up no better than hallucinatory noise. Already fooling some, though.

but isnt that a direct contradiction of this particular paper anyways - that chatgpt anyways outperforms human annotation. so permit me to act as devil's advocate to your statement - prove that (in context of this paper), your hypothesis is still correct.

Here it's outperforming because ChatGPT is already good at these tasks (and the MTurks aren't very good, OpenAI labelers are probably better, and a panel of experts much better).

To further improve ChatGPT shortcomings (assuming such flaws are because of alignment and not lack of capability of the base model) you need Human labels. Feeding it's own outputs would achieve nothing.

However feeding it's outputs can make a non aligned model become aligned (that's what alpaca did with llama+chatgpt).

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