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Re: Wavelength

#11

Post by aeontech »

starkparker wrote: post #6

I get his beef with Slack, but this is just Discord for people who don't want to talk to Android users. What's his problem with Discord, other than uselessly calling it ugly? EDIT: I thought his "it's AI in a group chat" pitch sounded familiar, then I realized it's because it's a Discord blog post from a couple weeks ago: https://discord.com/blog/ai-on-discord-your-place-for-ai-wit...

I think the sales pitch is

a) better threading UX

b) E2E encryption

admittedly I'm a very casual Discord user, and haven't used this app at all yet, so I may be missing something.

Also, sounds like the Android app is coming, so I don't think "don't want to talk to Android users" is an intended sales point?

Re: Wavelength

#12

Post by rylz »

slg wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but how can an app claim end-to-end encryption with a privacy first mindset while also using an AI chatbot run by a third party company? What actually is being shared with OpenAI?

Hi, cofounder here. We're very transparent in the UI about the fact that messages that mention @AI are not covered by e2ee. See https://imgur.com/a/5kPEdQP

Only messages that actually mention @AI are sent in plaintext to us, and then to OpenAI's API. All content shared between people without invoking the AI is fully end-to-end encrypted.

Re: Wavelength

#13

Post by jgruber »

slg wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but how can an app claim end-to-end encryption with a privacy first mindset while also using an AI chatbot run by a third party company? What actually is being shared with OpenAI?

That’s a great question, Messages that specifically mention “@AI” are visible to the bot (obviously), but only those messages. Not the whole thread.

Re: Wavelength

#14

Post by georgelyon »

slg wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but how can an app claim end-to-end encryption with a privacy first mindset while also using an AI chatbot run by a third party company? What actually is being shared with OpenAI?

The app has an “@AI” user which needs to be mentioned for the data to be shared. Chef’s kiss emoji from me in terms of transparency. Also, if you DM @AI it calls out that the message will be shared with OpenAI and Wavelength.

Re: Wavelength

#15

Post by rylz »

marstall wrote: post #5

are new threads unmuted by default? presuming yes but could be neat if not (like HN's "new" tab). threads become like subgroups I guess, with names, changing member lists - and ... ? retention policy? delete permissions? ai summaries?

The default setting when you join a group is that threads are not muted by default, but you can change a per-group setting to instead only be notified if you choose to reply, or explicitly subscribe to, each thread.

Re: Wavelength

#16

Post by mortenjorck »

Given its place in the orbit of tastemaker-market, iOS-exclusive apps, I expected Wavelength to require a paid subscription for access. I was surprised to see that the developers plan a freemium model.

Of course, a paid-only model would put a hard ceiling on the total addressable market, but they have an interesting challenge ahead in finding something that a sustainable number of users will want to pay for.

Re: Wavelength

#20

Post by richardhenry »

nreilly wrote: post #18
TangibleDiff wrote: post #2

In Australia and NZ we’re not getting the activation SMS. Is it down for everyone or just not available outside USA?

Me too for no code in Australia

Hey, co-founder here - we think we've fixed this message delivery issue for Australia. Could you try again and let me know if you're still having issues? Sorry about that!
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