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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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> strangers on the internet are grooming their sons / daughters to convince them they are gay or trans This is just the latest bullshit moral panic du jour.

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Note that libsoftiktok produces fake content alarmingly often. You ought to read the impact section of their wiki page where it describes how they like to accuse teachers who resign of being fired for grooming children without evidence, or how they manipulate footage from serious discussions between prison psychologists to produce such fantastic rage bait that even Russian propaganda networks use it.

If you follow accounts like these and take any of their content at face value you are choosing wilful ignorance via propaganda. There's nothing else to it, they show you nothing but a cruel facsimile of reality in an effort to make you into a bigot.

Here's a snippet from the end of the article, note that some of these targets did literally nothing other than criticize libsoftiktok

> After analyzing Libs of TikTok's online activity in April 2022 through November 2022, a counter-extremism research group called Task Force Butler Institute estimated Raichik singled out a specific event, location or person over 280 times, resulting in 66 incidents of harassment or threats against her targets.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Note that libsoftiktok produces fake content alarmingly often. You ought to read the impact section of their wiki page where it describes how they like to accuse teachers who resign of being fired for grooming children without evidence, or how they manipulate footage from serious discussions between prison psychologists to produce such fantastic rage bait that even Russian propaganda networks use it. If you follow ac…

I checked out that account. It looks like it just reposts content from elsewhere. I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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It’s specifically a reaction to the American Library Association giving “Gender Queer” one of its top awards for the age 12-18 category. It revealed that the librarians teaching your kids are a lot more progressive about kids exploring their sexuality than even Obama-voting parents who support equal civil rights but still hold traditional beliefs about sex being shameful and something children should be protected fro…

" It revealed that the librarians teaching your kids are a lot more progressive about kids exploring their sexuality than even Obama-voting parents w" Source? I ask because I didn't know librarians teach kids

Do you have a kid (or remember being one)? We had scheduled trips to the library and librarians were actively involved in recommending books, both to individuals and in terms of reading lists.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Note that libsoftiktok produces fake content alarmingly often. You ought to read the impact section of their wiki page where it describes how they like to accuse teachers who resign of being fired for grooming children without evidence, or how they manipulate footage from serious discussions between prison psychologists to produce such fantastic rage bait that even Russian propaganda networks use it. If you follow ac…

I checked out that account. It looks like it just reposts content from elsewhere. I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia.

If by "that account" (???) you mean the charity investigating right wing extremism in the USA then sure but I think that's a pretty sad response all in all.

> I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia.

Wikipedia editors generally exhibit honest behaviour that your preferred propaganda outlet handler Chaya Raichik conspicuously lacks. The authors of the wiki page haven't sicced an online mob on anyone, I'd count them fairly trustworthy by comparison.

If you'd truly like to use your eyes I suggest the gigantic multi-paragraph list of abusive behaviour on behalf of Libsoftiktok, all replete with citations for proof so you can be certain it's the truth.

Righteous anger is a very dangerous human emotion, these accounts exist to exploit that part of you. I think anyone who makes it their business model to tell you who you should feel angry about should be treated with utmost suspicion.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I checked out that account. It looks like it just reposts content from elsewhere. I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia.

If by "that account" (???) you mean the charity investigating right wing extremism in the USA then sure but I think that's a pretty sad response all in all. > I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors generally exhibit honest behaviour that your preferred propaganda outlet handler Chaya Raichik conspicuously lacks. The authors of the wiki page haven't sicced an online mob on anyone, I'd c…

I have no idea what this is but it doesn’t seem like that big a deal.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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You may be too deep in the community to appreciate, but younger teens have had family supervision for millennia and for good reason. Their brains are not fully formed yet. That you can think up a problematic case doesn’t mean we throw out the concept for the other 90% of kids that benefit from involved parents. Some of the rest are suicide risks even when not being harassed. They’d benefit as well. I personally grew…

That's great, feel free to supervise your kids. You don't get to use the government to do it. Are you saying that the 1st amendment can have exceptions if a child's safety is at stake?

Oh but we do. Kids have been prohibited from entering bars and buying tobacco, by law for a long time. We generally think that's a good thing, and why it continues to be law.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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A constructive solution to that is to call CPS or even run away. Getting hooked on tiktok as you would a drug is not. I don’t believe this bill blocks iMessage for example.

So a child getting addicted to Tiktok is worse than them running away or calling CPS, which could lead to their removal?

Hard to judge "what is worse" without more information. What I do know is that tiktok is not a solution.

CPS gets a bad wrap, often justifiably. But some in-fact-horrible parents do deserve to have their kids taken away to safety.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Is that the economy, or is it the way people are socialized to think about the economy, and life in general? The suicide rate in America is four times higher than in the poor developing country I’m from.

Being poor is depressing, but I suspect watching your standard of living decline, your hopes and dreams destroyed, and your children forced to struggle in ways you or your parents never had to before hits harder.

All while being looked down on by your politicians who also shout at you about how it's the greatest thing ever and you should be thankful for it.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Probably no one thinks it shouldn't but you are manipulating the debate by finding an example like that and ignoring books that are banned for other reasons. Here's a list from one county https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/ I'm going to do one because I'm pretty sure I don't need to check anymore to determine that you are cherry picking. Love to Mama: A Tribute To Mothers, by Pat Mora, Paula S. Barragán M. "Pat Mor…

Nobody is "manipulating the debate." The book linked above is the most challenged book in these efforts: https://www.npr.org/2022/04/04/1090067026/efforts-to-ban-boo... . The American Library Association gave that book its Alex Award in 2020, for books for children 12-18. It's not some random book cherry-picked out of nowhere. None of the books are "being banned." States are deciding what taxpayer-funded school libra…

"I can’t help but notice your attempt to imply that Florida educators were somehow trying to suppress “Venezuelan, Cuban, and Puerto Rican” authors with your example"

I don't know how you are noticing anything when I seriously just picked a random book and said nothing about their ethnicity. No where in my argument did I use that as an argument.

"None of the books are "being banned." States are deciding what taxpayer-funded school libraries are making available to children."

That's still a form of a ban. You highlighted that it's taxpayer funded, which to me means it's a violation of the first amendment. If it was a private library then that would be fine.

"Of course valid books are going to be pulled in the meantime while the government does its review. It's like a product recall--you pull the batch while you figure out how bad stuff made it through the filter."

Was there some imminent danger that they need to be pulled before reviewed? How long is a review going to take and who gets to make the decision about what is appropriate? However you're right that my example was under review. I didn't notice that the list was of books was of those both under review or banned. So let's check out another book that was banned.

"And Tango Makes Three"[1] is banned in the Lake Country School District for K-3 [2]

The stated reason is: "Administrative removal as per HB 1557 due to sexual orientation/gender identification". The book is a children's book about gay penguins. There's no sex in it and therefore it's not pornographic. Why is this justified?

The parent comment also stated "it is baffling to me how the media depicts this as "anti trans" or "anti lgbt" book banning while managing to never mention the specifics of the books."

Well there's a specific book and it's Anti-LGBT. How does this protect kids.

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Finally what about the bible? It contains descriptions of sex acts, incest, prostitution. It also is a religious book that pushes its own moral values and agenda. Why is that allowed but not books about gays?

I believe the true purpose of this law is to enforce moral values on the community and attack gays/etc by hiding their existence. The goal being to appease conservative Republicans and/or evangelicals who consistently vote Republican.

Why doesn't the 1st amendment apply here? The safety of children? How is hearing that gay people exist unsafe for kids? If you are willing to make exceptions to the 1st amendment for the safety of children that is questionable then are willing to make exceptions for one amendment why not the 2nd amendment? Guns are the leading cause of death for children between 1 and 19 in the US [3]?

[2] https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/02/07/heres-a-l... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three

[3]https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-a...

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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That's great, feel free to supervise your kids. You don't get to use the government to do it. Are you saying that the 1st amendment can have exceptions if a child's safety is at stake?

Oh but we do. Kids have been prohibited from entering bars and buying tobacco, by law for a long time. We generally think that's a good thing, and why it continues to be law.

Ok that's fair. It turns out that guns are the leading cause of death for kids in the US. Can we make exceptions to the 2nd admendment?
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