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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by hnrodey »

yamtaddle wrote: post #151
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. Like a lot of other Apple stuff, I'm only able to use it because I don't use anything non-Apple for anything "serious" that involves a GUI. Windows is for gaming, Linux is my file storage and docker-service-running server that I only interact with over SSH and Web. Ditto Notes, all their Office-type progra…

Yeah, I'm also a heavy user Spotlight Search and it's still impossible to get to Keychain settings. I suppose my higher level point was that it's damn near impossible to efficiently get to the keychain settings.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by lttlrck »

knodi123 wrote: post #212
yamtaddle wrote: post #151

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> 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. Like a lot of other Apple stuff, I'm only able to use it because I don't use anything non-Apple for anything "serious" that involves a GUI. Windows is for gaming, Linux is my file storage and docker-service-running server that I only interact with over SSH and Web. Ditto Notes, all their Office-type progra…

> The fucking name of the screen is "passwords"! I shouldn't have to get farther than "pas" for it to be the first entry on the list, "pass" in the worst-case! Weird. "pas" and it was top of the list for me.

I get the same result as the parent. Search in Settings has gotten a lot worse with time.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by hnrodey »

mitemte wrote: post #149
robotresearcher wrote: post #95

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> 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away! On Mac, at any time, type: command-space passw On iOS tap on any home screen, type passw, tap suggested result

Better yet, using the Shortcuts app for iOS, create a shortcut that opens a URL with `prefs:root=PASSWORDS` in Safari. For macOS, you can make the same shortcut open `/Library/Apple/System/Library/CoreServices/SafariSupport.bundle/Contents/PreferencePanes/Passwords.prefPane`. A single shortcut can be used to accomplish this, using the OS check and an `if` condition. Then add the shortcut to the home screen as an icon…

I mean, thank you. Buttttttttt this is an asinine level of effort to achieve a workaround for a stock feature on the Apple platform. I'd just assume not use it before implementing this.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by [deleted] »

lmm wrote: post #269
waboremo wrote: post #215

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That hasn't really been true. Apple supported iTunes and Safari which were great options on Windows. Not just "I'm already an Apple fan so I have to use it", but actively deciding to use them. The root of the problem for Apple is that they cannot get away with doing what they used to in the past, they already have a plethora of platforms within their own umbrella to support, adding Windows native to the mix seems to…

> Apple supported iTunes and Safari which were great options on Windows. Not just "I'm already an Apple fan so I have to use it", but actively deciding to use them. No they weren't. They were notoriously awful. Apple resorted to bundling Safari with QuickTime to try to get you to use it but everyone still hated it.

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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by [deleted] »

shikshake wrote: post #183
filmgirlcw wrote: post #117

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+1 Ricky is the best. They also made a very useful Shortcut [1] that offers quick access to the Passwords on your Home Screen or Mac menubar. [1]: https://rmondello.com/passwords-shortcut/

clicking this link throws a bunch of warnings in my browser, and my university internet blocks me from seeing the actual website :(

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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by coldtea »

yamtaddle wrote: post #151
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. Like a lot of other Apple stuff, I'm only able to use it because I don't use anything non-Apple for anything "serious" that involves a GUI. Windows is for gaming, Linux is my file storage and docker-service-running server that I only interact with over SSH and Web. Ditto Notes, all their Office-type progra…

>Yeah, this is super fucking weird. You'd think this would be connected in some fashion to "keychain", but nope.

It probably very much is. But Google would never add Keychain integration when they want to push you to their own password manager within Chrome

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by coldtea »

imoverclocked wrote: post #263
musicale wrote: post #237

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> allow this application to access all saved passwords I'd like to see finer granularity, perhaps multiple web password vaults and a mechanism to allow certain browsers to use certain vaults. It might also be nice to specify which passwords could be accessed with which kind of authentication. Unfortunately the current system password dialog is easily spoofable - it really looks like a questionable javascript popup.

What would that look like? Do you expect a prompt for every website you visit (Would you like to allow permission for Firefox/Chrome/whatever to view/store your password for "abcd.example.com"?) Would the permission be tied to the name of the app or the hash of the app? How do you securely identify the browser? Signed apps? Signed via a developer key -- trust the developer so that you can use Chrome as well as Chrome…

>What would that look like? Do you expect a prompt for every website you visit

Why not? It works fine for Little Snitch.

And here it would be even less prompts, as it would just be every website I visit && have an login account at.

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Post by ulfw »

knodi123 wrote: post #212
yamtaddle wrote: post #151

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> 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. Like a lot of other Apple stuff, I'm only able to use it because I don't use anything non-Apple for anything "serious" that involves a GUI. Windows is for gaming, Linux is my file storage and docker-service-running server that I only interact with over SSH and Web. Ditto Notes, all their Office-type progra…

> The fucking name of the screen is "passwords"! I shouldn't have to get farther than "pas" for it to be the first entry on the list, "pass" in the worst-case! Weird. "pas" and it was top of the list for me.

When I type just "p" it's the second top most result. When I type "pa" it's already the first result.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by chrisfinazzo »

I might argue instead that simply having Passwords as another item inside Settings is appropriate for what functionality it exposes.

It's a feature, not a product, doesn't do everything that Keychain Access does in macOS, and doesn't need (or deserve) to be in your face all the time.

Do keyboards/wallpaper/voip apps/whatever really need to have their own app icon on your homescreen? Probably not, but Apple's conditioned us over the course of 15 years that all apps have icons you can see - a view at odds with things like Fantastical and SwitchGlass, which are really "apps that run in your menubar" and can be used without a Dock icon at all.

iOS doesn't have the concept of "Utilities" within "/Applications" like macOS does, but maybe it needs to in order to address this class of app which has such a specific focus.

After 15 years, are we at a point where some of the early affordances aren't neccessary anymore?

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by ikura »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

Don’t use System Settings to find passwords, open Keychain Access instead, it’s much more direct for searching.
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