Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

dw.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 59 posts

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#31

Post by testHNac »

elzbardico wrote: post #20
nine_zeros wrote: post #14

I find it fascinating that people think China and India are friendly (or plan to be friendly) to each other.

Countries are not friendly or hostile to each other. They have different geopolitical goals that sometimes converge and sometimes diverge. Remember that those countries have highly pragmatic external relations policies and are probably a bit tired of being bossed around by the west. Notwithstanding the possible merit of the decision, weaponizing the US dollar monetary system against Russia would inevitably have some…

You're right. Sanctions destroyed the credibility of the USD. Also, cutting Russia from Swift.

If that can happen to Russia, it can happen to any country.

Regarding your point about common interests aligning.

In last few weeks Saudi and Iran relationships are improving.

If that's possible, India and China can surely continue doing business together.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#32

Post by yucky »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #18
mistrial9 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but you get Kentucky Fried Chicken, Enterprise Rent-a-Car and Western Union immediately.. like weeds in the field. Plus, everything is written in Latin script AND the dollar / Euro.

KFC is doing much better in BRICS countries than it is on its home turf.

Well yeah, because we have Popeye's too, and they don't.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#33

Post by frozenport »

testHNac wrote: post #28
throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

>Russia is a joke and an international pariah I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million. BRICS countries are actively Trading with Russia. America's favorite ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is doing deals with Russia and Iran. BTW Saudi Arabia wants to join BRICS. Iran is friendly with Rus…

>> BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live.

What?

Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province!

Russia just invaded Ukraine to reestablish kleptocracy!

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#35

Post by avmich »

testHNac wrote: post #28
throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

>Russia is a joke and an international pariah I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million. BRICS countries are actively Trading with Russia. America's favorite ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is doing deals with Russia and Iran. BTW Saudi Arabia wants to join BRICS. Iran is friendly with Rus…

Ugh.

> I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO.

Rather, UN. See e.g. various votes last year.

> BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion.

> NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million.

Yeah, BRICS is 3240-ish Million. M - Million. And NATO - ~0.95 Billion. B - Billion.

And the cherry on top which is more important - in NATO countries opinions are much close to the actual opinions of people, while in BRICS R, I and C are various degrees of autocracies. Just ask people in Russia what do they think about the events in Ukraine, and you won't even need to remind them of laws which essentially prohibit non-official point of view.

> BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live.

This is from a different universe.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#36

Post by chii »

testHNac wrote: post #24
rektname wrote: post #11

What's this alternative offering exactly? Corruption? Police state? Crime? Poverty? Yeah, no thanks. Get your shit fixed and then we'll talk.

America : No corruption. No Police violence. No Brutality. No Gun Violence. No Crime. No poverty - no homelessness, no people unable to afford a life without stimulus and bailouts. No racism. Absolute freedom of speech. America is the utopia the World should aspire to be. /s - In case someone is wondering.

So why are people not migrating as much to BRICS countries compared to the west?

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#37

Post by cuteboy19 »

comte7092 wrote: post #26
cuteboy19 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a fun term to discredit popular consensus or democratic votes. "Manufactured consent", the rallying cry of failed and unpopular ideologues. But it certainly tracks that the person who coined the term is a genocide denialist for a foreign dictator. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Ch...

>In Manufacturing Consent (1988), Chomsky and Herman discussed the media reaction to their earlier writings on the Cambodian genocide. They summarised the position which they had taken in After the Cataclysm (1979): >>As we also noted from the first paragraph of our earlier review of this material, to which we will simply refer here for specifics, “there is no difficulty in documenting major atrocities and oppression…

its like a child, after being caught with chocolate on their entire face, and after a long scolding, admits that it is possible that there might have been at some point been a chocolate eating binge (but that he was correct in eating the chocolate).

you should go read what they originally said at the time of the genocide. its similar to saying we shouldnt believe the stories of jewish refugees at the time of the holocaust because the us and the nazis happened to be enemies.

> how the available facts were selected, modified, or sometimes invented to create a certain image offered to the general population

imagine if someone said this about the reporting of the holocaust. the cambodian genocide is comparable in terms of numbers to the holocaust btw. so shameless and yet people still defend these people

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#38

Post by comte7092 »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #37
comte7092 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In Manufacturing Consent (1988), Chomsky and Herman discussed the media reaction to their earlier writings on the Cambodian genocide. They summarised the position which they had taken in After the Cataclysm (1979): >>As we also noted from the first paragraph of our earlier review of this material, to which we will simply refer here for specifics, “there is no difficulty in documenting major atrocities and oppression…

its like a child, after being caught with chocolate on their entire face, and after a long scolding, admits that it is possible that there might have been at some point been a chocolate eating binge (but that he was correct in eating the chocolate). you should go read what they originally said at the time of the genocide. its similar to saying we shouldnt believe the stories of jewish refugees at the time of the holo…

Their point was that the US media downplays its own atrocities while playing up those of its enemies.

Their statements seem reasonable in that context. What you’re claiming is outright denial is more like hedging, and an open admission that they don’t trust the source.

It reflects poor judgment on his part, but what you’re arguing isn’t in good faith.

Denying the holocaust today is reprehensible. Denying it in 1943 was understandable, given the limited facts at the time. Similarly, denying the Cambodian genocide in a book in 1979, literally right in the middle of it, isn’t the same as denying it today.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#39

Post by iosono88 »

chii wrote: post #36
testHNac wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America : No corruption. No Police violence. No Brutality. No Gun Violence. No Crime. No poverty - no homelessness, no people unable to afford a life without stimulus and bailouts. No racism. Absolute freedom of speech. America is the utopia the World should aspire to be. /s - In case someone is wondering.

So why are people not migrating as much to BRICS countries compared to the west?

[dead]

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

#40

Post by iosono88 »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #17
schoubey wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the consent or consensus, when Iraq was attacked for alleged weapons of mass destruction?

That's actually a great example > A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapons. 19% thought weapons were needed to justify the war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United... Remember that the popular consensus isn't always the right thing to do. We can nearly always expl…

[dead]
Post reply on HN