The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 9:01 PM UTC

AiaAidan wrote: post #52

throwaway892238 wrote: post #23

This is when I get super hopeful that more draconian bullshit like this gets passed. The only way to get regular people to stop accepting their government's bullshit is to severely outrage them. Tiny outrages just get accepted as the new norm.

There are too many countries in the world with oppressive regimes where people seem willing to accept the status quo without much resistance to be as optimistic as you about people's desire for freedom. Even in countries where extreme suffering and censorship exist, like N.Korea or, less known, Turkmenistan (which, by the way, is the craziest country of the former USSR - the cult of personality in Turkmenistan has be…

Post by mikrotikker » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 9:36 PM UTC

niek_pas wrote: post #313

mikrotikker wrote: post #275

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Man is not being used in a gendered manner.

Eh. You can _say_ that, but it's clearly no coincidence that the word for 'male' and for 'person' were the same for a long time. 'Person' seems like the obviously neutral choice to make, hence my question: why not just use 'person'?

Post by geysersam » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 10:00 PM UTC

anonyfox wrote: post #368

geysersam wrote: post #325

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I vote. I just think the distance between us voters and the people who end up in the EU "government" is too big. Democracy gets diluted when the electorate becomes too large and too diverse. It's important that decisions stay as local as possible.

sometimes, a decision _could_ be made local, but an _even better_ ooutcome could be achieven going a bit higher level. Like, image some county that needs energy, has no natural gifts regarding that but has land to farm upon. Instead of exporting food and importing coal from somewhere to fire up a new plant, it could also exchange energy with a more gifted county that has plenty of green energy but doesn't need someth…

Post by th15row » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 12:51 AM UTC

Llamamoe wrote: post #97

th15row wrote: post #88

It doesn't matter, the EU has already crossed the point of no return. Europe is either collapsed or an authoritarian dystopia by the 2030s, no in-betweens. I've been saying this for years and it will be funny to see europeans to catch up to this fact in real time.

Is there anywhere in the world left that's neither on the way to becoming a dystopia nor already a hellhole unless you're a male local?

Post by revelio » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 7:37 AM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #408

revelio wrote: post #400

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>> Yeah, that's why the UK didn't leave in the end right? lol. UK was the first where it wasn't ignored. After the vote I remember being told several times by Europeans they didn't really believe it'd ever be implemented, exactly due to the track record of European countries in ignoring referendums that didn't go the EU's way. Even then it was a very close run thing. The Remainers in Parliament were willing to create…

> That story came from the German press and was correct: So one specific case where the lists are sent to the city government and shown in public now means "children can't write to Santa?" Way to blown out of proportion. (And they could, if their parents consented to it) Thanks for showing how easy it is to be manipulated by anti-EU propaganda. Yes, the Welt article is not lying, the propagandists are, as usual