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Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

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Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

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So basically stealing other people voice for you hobby? Great!

Who says it has to be someone else's voice?

I mean, if it is your voice, can’t you just record it directly? Isn’t that better than going through an artificial middle man that has to be primed first with some recording of yours?

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#252
post #118

I recommend you immediately add identity verification (state-issued identification verification), set up appropriate secrets store for PII, and audit trail EVERYTHING your users are doing, storing the contents in a secure location. Yesterday. This service will be used to harm others, shortly. I do think that there are exciting, honest things that can be done with this service but you need to set up some friction for…

Or it will be used for memes.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

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I'm with you on this. I can't honestly think a good use case for the average user to generate audio this way. Maybe some niche use case in like movie or tv production where you can generate a missing line without flying in an actor or something. Or maybe for generating dialogues for videogames. But those are business use cases, not things for the genral public.

My Dad died before my kids were born. When he got cancer, he recorded himself reading "The Night Before Christmas", which is about enough audio for the high quality version of this technology. Is it ghoulish on my part to want to hear his voice again or for my kids to hear it? Maybe. Do I really care what you think (or really what _I_ think) about that? No.

You shouldn’t care what I think. You shouldn’t care what anyone here thinks. Creating fake memories is not something I’d ever consider doing but that’s just me.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

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yeah because that's working great for crypto lol

What do you mean? KYC is required on every US exchange.

It's trivial to get your money to exchanges run by people/machines who don't care to comply with US law, or to render the KYC worthless in the first instance.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#256
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While I agree with you, the problem is far bigger than any one company in my opinion. These tools are already accessible enough to individuals that no audio or video is trustworthy, regardless of its source. I suspect we can still detect whether most faked audio/video is authentic or not algorithmically, but that's going to turn into an arms race eventually. And IMO none of the "answers" are ones that you really want…

I feel like this will be the thing that finally forces digital signing into the public eye. "Wait, is that video real?" "Well, it was signed by a reputable news source."

Right, which leads to a place where nothing is trusted unless it came from some central authority or from some trusted piece of hardware. I'm not looking forward to the day when I have to use e.g. an Apple or Google piece of hardware or some locked down kiosk or "be famous" in order to conduct business.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#257
post #118

I recommend you immediately add identity verification (state-issued identification verification), set up appropriate secrets store for PII, and audit trail EVERYTHING your users are doing, storing the contents in a secure location. Yesterday. This service will be used to harm others, shortly. I do think that there are exciting, honest things that can be done with this service but you need to set up some friction for…

Like this example here: https://playground.play.ht/listen/1554 which says: > "Hi Mom, I need some help. Some guys hit me over the head and put me in a van, and they're saying they'll kill me if you don't wire money to this bank account." top class. EDIT this was about one page down on the "see what people are generating" page

Damn that's a perfect example.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#258

This is the first startup here where I think the tech should essentially be illegal. It's cool tech, yes I'm impressed at the achievement. Nuclear weapons are impressive too. OTOH this kind of thing is getting easier and easier to do, so what's a realistic way forward?

Serious question. What is the difference in implications between this and a professional voice impersonator? I don't think it's as dangerous as we think it is. All of the consequences that Play.ht bring to society are already possible today and have been for some time. The difference is that it will be easier, but I don't think that makes it any more dangerous.

Put the recent tech advances together: we can now ask bots to generate an identity online that looks like a legit human (with pictures, audio, text).

Of course a human could do that manually, but with those AIs it's a completely different scale, and it can be automated (so someone with no skills can click a button "generate 10k fake identities online").

Maybe even with one click, those techs could generate a fake coworker and send phishing e-mails. Suddenly every single e-mail you receive (or friend request or call) could be a very convincing fake. You don't have to be a high-value target anymore, it's all automated.

That makes it much more dangerous: from "can be forged manually with time and resources" to "everyone can do it at scale for free".

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#259
Why doesn't your launch info-post here mention anything about safety and the obvious concerns here? "We deeply care about ethics and privacy and have implemented verfication processes and regulations to avoid people cloning anyone's voice without their consent." I found this in your FAQ.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#260
This is currently the top example for me (with the NSFW check off):

> I want you to lay me down, gently, and show me why you're known as the most agile tongue this side of the Mississippi

Whoever wrote that, bravo, I needed a good laugh today.

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