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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 6:11 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #609

heavyset_go wrote: post #598

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> https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/the-teen-mental-illness... I don't necessarily buy the premise that the economy isn't having poor effects on teenagers' mental health just because the GFC is "over". Maybe to financial markets it is, but for people who need to work for a living, things changed since 2008 for the worse. Teens are more likely to see their parents struggle to pay bills despite working full-time and…

Is that the economy, or is it the way people are socialized to think about the economy, and life in general? The suicide rate in America is four times higher than in the poor developing country I’m from.

In what way is "Mom and dad can't afford rent" Not actually the economy? What is this absurd statement you are making?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by buffington » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 6:11 PM UTC

fknorangesite wrote: post #645

codeguro wrote: post #639

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Parents, for their children’s best interests, have a prerogative to control what their children are exposed to. Social media is absolutely within that domain. I’m inclined to believe anyone who disagrees with that principle is a potential predator who seeks to undermine that authority. Sexual preferences are fundamentally sexual in nature, and parents absolutely have the prerogative to gatekeep the kinds of content t…

> strangers on the internet are grooming their sons / daughters to convince them they are gay or trans This is just the latest bullshit moral panic du jour.

I'd rather not share specific details due to privacy concerns, but I've personally needed to rescue a loved one who was groomed by a stranger on the internet, convinced their loved ones were manipulating them and oppressing them, then kidnapped (across state lines), then encouraged to start hormone replacement therapy.

To be clear: I support trans kids and I find opportunities to support them however I can. The loved one in the case I describe is not trans. They were a minor at the time, and according to them, didn't really have a sense for how they might identify. A stranger took advantage of that, inflicted severe emotional trauma and irreversible changes, and, thankfully, will remain in prison for at least another 3 years (for this one case).

Whether it's "the latest bullshit moral panic du jour" I can't speak to. According to the FBI and state police involved in my particular experience, they've seen a sharp uptick in cases like the one my loved one experienced. I've seen my young teen age nieces nearly fall into similar traps. I only know about those close calls because my nieces have the experiences of their older family member to lean on, and know to share sketchy communications with their parents and me.

I suspect the "gay or trans" angle is indeed "bullshit moral panic" motivated by politics/fear more than anything, but the idea that young people are being manipulated and sucked into dark places is very much real.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by officeplant » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 7:05 PM UTC

norwalkbear wrote: post #650

fknorangesite wrote: post #645

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> strangers on the internet are grooming their sons / daughters to convince them they are gay or trans This is just the latest bullshit moral panic du jour.

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All libs of tiktok shows everyday is their hate mongering.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 7:10 PM UTC

7sidedmarble wrote: post #404

geraldwhen wrote: post #398

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But have you actually played Roblox? It’s absolute toxic trash. Almost every single game is a front for purchases, and those that aren’t are barely games at all. Many Minecraft mods are one time purchases that are way, way better than anything Roblox produces, but Minecraft is so buggy that it’s truly not suitable for kids, or anyone for that matter. Minecraft will continuously corrupt saves, so you need to fully rei…

>Minecraft is so buggy that it’s truly not suitable for kids, >My kids aren’t allowed to play games I wouldn’t play. Nothing says 'hacker mindset' like your parents deciding for you what games you should and shouldn't like.

I would not let my child pay for in app purchases period. They are entirely built to trigger the same broken mental pathways as gambling and we generally try to avoid letting kids gamble

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by xnx » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 7:10 PM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #306

I feel like this is a response to the exponential popularity of sites like r/exmormon among younger generations. For example, look at these exceptions. It seems like organic, unapproved discussion between users is what the bill is trying to stifle: > (D) news, sports, entertainment, or other content that is preselected by the provider and not user generated, ... (Q) to permit comments on a digital news website, if th…

Good point. I hadn't even considered the Mormon angle. I've learned so much about Mormon culture on Tiktok that blew my mind.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 7:18 PM UTC

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #516

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Ah, that's the carveout against the 1st amendment. Conservatives have discovered that the constitution only binds the state , so if they delegate enforcement to private lawsuits they can completely bypass protections. Edit: see https://theintercept.com/2023/03/24/texas-bounty-hunter-drag... and https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-abortion-law-bounty-hunte...

I don't understand how any court allows this interpretation to exist. If a state deputizes a person to act against the rights of others, that person is acting as the state, and should be bound as the state is bound. Otherwise the state can abrogate all limitations on its powers by deputizing people or companies.

Because it turns out a lot of the higher courts in the US are absolutely captured by people who let their religion and or ideology and or private opinion affect their judicial decrees. This has been the case since even before Dread Scott though so I don't know why we have ever pretended otherwise

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Post by spoonfeeder006 » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 8:00 PM UTC

nonethewiser wrote: post #467

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #383

I get that SM can have lot of bad effects on people But being controlled and micro-managed by your parents when you're at a stage to naturally seek independence and autonomy.... yeah, can't imagine how that would badly impact anyone of these kids. Like, at all. How about instead empowering kids to learn about the science of tech addiction, or addiction in general, and the science of how SM effects people...and also t…

> How about instead empowering kids to learn about the science of tech addiction What if we made selling tobacco legal to minors but continued to educate them on the health risks?

SM actually can have beneficial uses if done in moderation. Tobacco does not

And although restricting tobacco access from minors does reduce their usage, it doesn't eliminate it entirely and is not a replacement for empowering them with understanding of the world to make their own decisions

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by spoonfeeder006 » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 8:12 PM UTC

_AzMoo wrote: post #440

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #383

I get that SM can have lot of bad effects on people But being controlled and micro-managed by your parents when you're at a stage to naturally seek independence and autonomy.... yeah, can't imagine how that would badly impact anyone of these kids. Like, at all. How about instead empowering kids to learn about the science of tech addiction, or addiction in general, and the science of how SM effects people...and also t…

In Australia lots of kids are already directly taught about the downsides of social media. My daughter is 16 and has had mandatory classes about it in school every year since she was 12. The problem is the kids don't give a shit and it's the parents that don't understand. This should be dealt with through education campaigns, but it's the parents who those campaigns should be targeted at. If somebody's parents group…

Is it possible that the nature of those classes about the health effects of social media aren't addressing the root?

Take for example abstinence only sex education. If its anything like that or gives off paternalistic vibes (don't do this cuz x, y, and z) then no surprises it isn't working

But on the other hand if you teach them about the possibilities of a real foundation of friendship, and vulnerability and transparency in a relationship can drastically be far more fulfilling, and also how to assess character and compatibility as well as understand the (possibly) ephemeral nature of infatuation, signs of abusive dynamics, how to protect one's self and boundaries/assertiveness, then perhaps thats a totaly different thing

You can't just teach them "Don't do X", you gotta show them how to live a much more interesting life than just doom scrolling

"Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom." -Baha'i Faith

In addition, "X has bad effects Y" does not address the root of why we might engage in an addiction. Often teens are under a lot of stress and pressure and those things are a coping mechanism. Teaching them mindfullness meditation can really help them a lot in terms of discovering the bliss of calmness and peacefullness

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by shaunxcode » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 8:49 PM UTC

cesarb wrote: post #199

raincole wrote: post #103

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

> I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17. I'm sure many of us didn't have any access to StackOverflow and GitHub when we were around 17 years old, because StackOverflow and GitHub didn't exist yet. For several of us, git didn't exist yet. Heck, for some of us, the web didn't exist yet! Kids these days...

I remember having to send an email to the admin of sourceforge for permission to have a project and thus CVS access. "Please sir may I contribute to open source?"

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Post by genewitch » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 8:51 PM UTC

newjersey wrote: post #417

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>Minecraft is so buggy that it’s truly not suitable for kids, >My kids aren’t allowed to play games I wouldn’t play. Nothing says 'hacker mindset' like your parents deciding for you what games you should and shouldn't like.

This is such a difficult topic. On one hand I want to give the next generation the same freedoms that I enjoyed but on the other hand the “game” has gotten more… everything. Even adults can’t avoid falling for these traps. I’ve seen with my own eyes someone justifying spending USD 90+ on candy crush saying it isn’t that much compared to bla bla. It is a frightening thought though to think — am I more conservative tha…

considering nintendo and sega cartridges were upwards of 60 1980s US dollars, compared to the amount of "game" we get now for the same price, it's almost a wash.

Freemium games make sure there's enough "there" there to keep casuals almost happy. The trick is to make the $5 and $10 premium purchases let you do around 4-12 hours of gameplay advancement, but that's it. Consider something like Shop heroes (or whatever) where you can put thousands of hours into the game for free, a day or two "skip" for $10 isn't a good value proposition. But skipping a week or a month? maybe after someone has put $10 in a few or several times and gotten that little jolt they want to feel the big jolt of a lot of money.

I know i spent around $100 in the blizzard RMAH (Real Money Auction House) on diablo III and it netted me nothing - nothing at all. So i learned my lesson real quick. Real money for virtual goods is a non-starter.

Now as far as robux goes, I want my child to understand that it's ok to pay people for their work (designing the levels, making items/skins). So he can choose to spend his money on hotwheels, paints, robux, google giftcards, whatever, $5 at a time. I do sometimes make a frowny face when he chooses robux, though; because as i said, a billion dollars!