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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#161

Am I the only person on Earth that needs sharing of passwords among my family? Any time folks bring up password solutions, they are always missing this requirement for me. 1Password is a life-saver in this regards. All my kids have their own vaults but for the little ones I have them use a shared vault between my wife and me so we have access to their passwords. I can also easily share passwords for services like Net…

A 1pass team w/ my wife was a huge level-up.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#162
The worst thing is when I register a new password to a website on my Mac on Firefox and then want to login to the site on my iPhone. I literally have to type the (complicated) password again so that it gets saved in Keychain.

Why wont Keychain allow Firefox sync? This seems like an extremely common use case.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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post #102

> And it all syncs across your devices, for free?! Really? My Linux devices? Android? Windows? I don't think so. I recommend considering one of the most important features of a password manager is that it doesn't force you to use a single manufacturer's products forever. Even if you swear undying fealty to Apple (or anyone else) today, you might change your mind in the future. 1Password, Bitwarden, and others allow m…

> Even if you swear undying fealty to Apple (or anyone else) today, you might change your mind in the future. Changing my mind is easy enough: I can export my iCloud passwords to a csv file, and I've done this to transfer a bunch of passwords to Firefox Linux desktop. I'll tell you something though: If Bitwarden leaked passwords nothing would happen because America has very weak consumer protections, but if Google or…

Self-host vaultwarden at the cloud provider of your choice?

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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post #142

It's incredible how Apple make it's users happy to lock-in in their eco-system. I don't really know Apple eco-system but it seems weird to migrate from tierce app (already well integrated) like Bitwarden to keychain. I've lost count of the people who have switched from their Music App to Apple Music for no reason other than "it's Apple". Apple make good hardware and their eco-system seem amazing too, but people shoul…

> but people should see the advantages to be not entirely depedent from a company

I think you're overestimating how much the average person thinks or cares about their computing platforms. They want something that works and gets out of the way, and to that end having everything come from one company is a feature, not a bug.

I mean I consider myself a power user and I still use iCloud Keychain purely because I was already using Safari when it launched, so it already had all my passwords. I recognise the advantages of third-party offerings, but to me they're not enough to bother moving all my stuff over.

Similarly I still use a third-party 2FA app because I was using it before Apple added it into iCloud Keychain (and also because the third-party app has an Apple Watch app and I've grown accustomed to reading the codes off my wrist).

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#165
I wish you could add a second password or different passcode on top of iCloud Keychain / apple passwords.

I get nervous at how easy it is to compromise all passwords:

1. Give someone your phone passcode, they can change apple account password. P0wned

2. Have iCloud Keychain on laptop… other user account resets password on account. (Or use it on work computer without realizing)

3.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#166
My best guess is that Apple won't do it because their plan is to phase out passwords entirely. That's what that whole FIDO Alliance (https://fidoalliance.org) is all about.

And 1Password is part of that too: https://blog.1password.com/1password-is-joining-the-fido-all...

I think that ultimately a password tool needs to be available on multiple platforms, like 1Password. Having it just be on Apple stuff just isn't gonna work for the many Windows and Linux machines I begrudgingly have to interact with.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#167
Not sure we want to ask Apple to build more software when they can't even get the quality of their existing software up to par. I would be strongly inclined to stick with something less tied to the platform/ecosystem, like 1Password

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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post #92

i would prefer icloud keychain allows an alternative password - i refrain from adding some credentials to the keychain since my passcode is easy to steal?

Reading other comments in this thread and I feel like I am taking crazy pills. There was a big article that I thought a lot of people had read and would realize having passwords saved under an iCloud account is a recipe for disaster, since only a phone passcode is necessary to gain full control of an iCloud account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34984821

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#169
One core feature that will keep lot of people from using Apple Password manager is family setup. Anyone with Apple family knows how bad it can be when you have dozens or hundreds of shared passwords between you, your spouse and / or kids.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#170

My best guess is that Apple won't do it because their plan is to phase out passwords entirely. That's what that whole FIDO Alliance ( https://fidoalliance.org ) is all about. And 1Password is part of that too: https://blog.1password.com/1password-is-joining-the-fido-all... I think that ultimately a password tool needs to be available on multiple platforms, like 1Password. Having it just be on Apple stuff just isn't g…

1Password knows that it will take centuries for passwords to disappear even if a password-less future is already here.
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