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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by simonklitj »

AdamGibbins wrote: post #84

Edit: Removed initial comment, confused my iOS faults. Keychain its current configuration is risky, given its coupled to your iPhone password which many people frequently enter in a public setting. One shoulder surf followed by a phone theft and they've unlocked everything - including your iCloud account (which you can change the password on using iPhone password only).

Are you sure? I always have to scan Face ID, whether it's to open the "Passwords"-section in Settings or to have it automatically paste a password on a website/app. How do I access these things without additional authentication?

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by geocar »

dwheeler wrote: post #14

> And it all syncs across your devices, for free?! Really? My Linux devices? Android? Windows? I don't think so. I recommend considering one of the most important features of a password manager is that it doesn't force you to use a single manufacturer's products forever. Even if you swear undying fealty to Apple (or anyone else) today, you might change your mind in the future. 1Password, Bitwarden, and others allow m…

> Even if you swear undying fealty to Apple (or anyone else) today, you might change your mind in the future.

Changing my mind is easy enough: I can export my iCloud passwords to a csv file, and I've done this to transfer a bunch of passwords to Firefox Linux desktop.

I'll tell you something though: If Bitwarden leaked passwords nothing would happen because America has very weak consumer protections, but if Google or Apple leaked passwords, they'd be hit in every EU member state for GDPR.

Some of these things are outside of my control, and using a password manager is too useful that I think it's worth a little risk, but I can't justify trusting any company unless they've got some skin in the game, and Bitwarden specifically wants to disclaim all liabilities? AgileBits thankfully is in Canada and you can at least sue them for what you've paid them in six months, but I personally have passwords more important than that. Surely there's someone else you could recommend?

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by culturestate »

defulmere wrote: post #64

Every time I see a question like "Why doesn't Apple build $THIS?" I assume the answer is "because they'll make more money selling 3rd-party $THIS in the app store".

> I assume the answer is "because they'll make more money selling 3rd-party $THIS in the app store"

Apple has a long and storied history of doing almost exactly the opposite - any sufficiently popular third-party utility either gets bought and integrated (eg Workflow, Dark Sky) or Sherlocked (eg f.lux, Watson).

Apple takes a very long-term view of revenue generation, and the App Store commissions from $random_app are way less valuable to Apple than the LTV of a customer who’s locked into buying Macs and iPads because of Apple’s proprietary version of $random_app.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by toxik »

robotresearcher wrote: post #95
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away! On Mac, at any time, type: command-space passw On iOS tap on any home screen, type passw, tap suggested result

No results for “passw”

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

#105

Post by toxik »

azinman2 wrote: post #89
rootusrootus wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, Google has not implemented support for Keychain in Chrome. AFAIK neither has Firefox.

And this annoys me greatly. I want cookies, bookmarks, and passwords to be owned by the system. That way I can switch between browsers with ease, and that would also lower the bar for new browsers to come out.

I absolutely do not want this.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by stavros »

rootusrootus wrote: post #66
lozenge wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With passkeys, now every platform can enjoy this level of lock in!

I hope not. I'm patiently waiting on 1Password to release their implementation of passkeys so I can have it work on all my devices, Apple or not.

Yep, same with BitWarden. That would be fantastic.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by steve1977 »

waboremo wrote: post #27
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

Funny situation, there's another thread I was replying to someone who wanted to shift back to native apps instead of cross plat electron apps (for performance reasons). Well, Apple Passwords on Windows is a good example of how that turns out in reality. I believe it's using WinUI. While the performance is nice, the experience is entirely unlike what you get on Mac and winds up making you wish you were using another s…

Apple had (has?) Cocoa ported on Windows actually, so whatever they could so on macOS, they could do on Windows as well. Cocoa as such is cross-platform.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by throwaway290 »

toxik wrote: post #104
robotresearcher wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away! On Mac, at any time, type: command-space passw On iOS tap on any home screen, type passw, tap suggested result

No results for “passw”

I write "keychain" usually, it appears after "key" already.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by w-m »

selykg wrote: post #77
w-m wrote: post #47

Tangentially related, something that has slightly inconvenienced me a few times: Can someone point me to a setting to get Siri to show me my passwords again, on iOS 16? Before, I could ask on an unlocked phone to “show me my password for GitHub” and Siri would open the settings app with the password list and show the GH credentials. Now (since iOS 16?) Siri just refuses to do any request that contains ‘password’.

You mean Shortcuts? You can have it open this URL: prefs:root=PASSWORDS You'll want to set up Siri separately as part of it, but you can definitely do that with Shortcuts.

Interesting, thanks!

What I described didn’t need a shortcut before. It was a vanilla iOS feature. I assume it went away for privacy reasons with one of the OS updates. And hoped there’d be a setting to get it back.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by voytec »

robotresearcher wrote: post #95
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away! On Mac, at any time, type: command-space passw On iOS tap on any home screen, type passw, tap suggested result

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