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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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I follow Ricky Mondello, who works on the Apple password keeper functionality — they post interesting tidbits pretty regularly. https://twitter.com/rmondello https://hachyderm.io/@rmondello

I met Ricky at a WWDC years ago when I was in the password manager field. What a wonderfully intelligent person. Actually, several members of the Safari team were present at that meeting and it was such a great set of people. I kind of miss that part of that job...

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I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

2. Dont know what you are talking about, I use brave and get my passwords filled in from keychain. 3. Cmd-space keychain opens up keychain

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I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

Funny situation, there's another thread I was replying to someone who wanted to shift back to native apps instead of cross plat electron apps (for performance reasons). Well, Apple Passwords on Windows is a good example of how that turns out in reality. I believe it's using WinUI. While the performance is nice, the experience is entirely unlike what you get on Mac and winds up making you wish you were using another s…

This has been the story of Apple apps outside MacOS forever: they appear to always do the absolute minimum to claim support, and you end up with a super clunky windows app that is terrible.

I doubt they’d do much better using electron: I think their development model is that if it isn’t on one of their platforms, they pump out a minimum-effort, low quality app. I’d guess that electron ones would be just as clunky, except with a significantly higher memory and CPU footprint.

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You should see the horror that is changing your country and phone number. I spent weeks hunting around the phone to stop weird things from happening. You would think Apple were smart enough to say “it looks like you’ve changed details. Can I update the plethora of places I use your number?”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are 100% Mac then it's a good product. Going outside of the walled Apple garden leaves a lot to be desired. I think Apple would consider this "working as designed."

With passkeys, now every platform can enjoy this level of lock in!

I hope not. I'm patiently waiting on 1Password to release their implementation of passkeys so I can have it work on all my devices, Apple or not.

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If Apple password manager is anywhere as well thought out as their 2FA for Apple TV then I don't want to come next to it within 10 light years. Every time it asked me to either "confirm on your iPad" (I have 3 of those around the house) or "confirm on your iPhone" (I have 0 of those) I was ready to hurl shit. SMS option buried in some dark pattern, of course. If these companies want to encroach in the secrets managem…

I suggest you move to Ross 248, which is a mere 10.3 light-years away. However, 32000 years from now it will be the closest star to our sun at 3.024 light-years so keep that in mind!

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I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

It's not just a good product if you're 100% Apple, it's only a good product if you're 100% Apple and are willing to accept a great deal of friction if Apple's direction no longer suits you in the future . It's a version of what some people call "high time preference". Personally, I was taught to care about the future.

They have an export-to-CSV feature. That takes a lot of the worry out of hypothetical futures.

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>(And it all syncs across your devices, for free?!) IMO the worst part about apple keychain is they can't be used with Chrome (the most common browser for mac!)

I too find this frustrating, but I’m curious about the claim that Chrome is the most common browser on Mac. I sometimes see this claim, but I struggle to find any data to back it up.

The US government web analytics (https://analytics.usa.gov/data/), which seems like a reasonable source for general usage in the US, show Safari substantially ahead of Chrome on Mac.

Have you seen any sources that show Chrome ahead of Safari on Mac for a general audience?

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I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> If you are 100% Mac then it's a good product. Going outside of the walled Apple garden leaves a lot to be desired. I think Apple would consider this "working as designed."

> I think Apple would consider this "working as designed."

Incoming iTunes Password Manager, next event :P

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