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Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

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Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#21

This is the first startup here where I think the tech should essentially be illegal. It's cool tech, yes I'm impressed at the achievement. Nuclear weapons are impressive too. OTOH this kind of thing is getting easier and easier to do, so what's a realistic way forward?

Our only hope is that politicians and celebrities get sick of their voices and likeness being used to scam people or sell crypto or viagra and get laws passed against this type of impersonation.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#22
YC is assisting / help to fund the next big telephone scam in which more and more people across the world will fall victim to cloned voice audio scams. Grandma is called by her grandsons voice asking for money, but it's not him. YEAH!

I had envisioned the scammers leveling up to this scam last week or so in a comment here. Though google news a few days later showed me it's already happening...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11897239/Houston-co...

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#23

This is the first startup here where I think the tech should essentially be illegal. It's cool tech, yes I'm impressed at the achievement. Nuclear weapons are impressive too. OTOH this kind of thing is getting easier and easier to do, so what's a realistic way forward?

I guess eventually people will go back to only meeting face to face for important communications. I don't know what the way forward is for news.

I truly do not understand people like these founders, obviously they understand the future they're creating. "If not us, someone else would do it" is not an excuse. Neither is "I like money".

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#24

How is the latency for real-time TTS? I remember kicking the tires several months back but went with one of the big 3 cloud providers since they had lower latency. I also like that the cloud provider supports SSML and I can explicitly configure the emotion, whereas Playht dynamically changed the emotion based on context of the text.

Low latency would open up a whole lot of interesting applications. Even Elevenlabs doesn't seem to have low enough latency in my testing to work as a convincing voice assistant or to, for example, work in real time on a phone call. For that we likely need QUIC or some kind of streaming protocol.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#25
This is a good reminder that we all need to have a "safe word" that we can use to verify to the important people in our life that the voice they may be hearing on the phone or elsewhere is really us.

Get a panicky call from "me" in the middle of the night? If I don't include my safe word, that call isn't from me.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#26

This is the first startup here where I think the tech should essentially be illegal. It's cool tech, yes I'm impressed at the achievement. Nuclear weapons are impressive too. OTOH this kind of thing is getting easier and easier to do, so what's a realistic way forward?

But what is a realistic way forward? Do you think that scammers won't have this technology in 2 years? Can we really prevent any illegal use of neural networks at this point? With weapons that you actually have to physically buy, you can intervene on a country level (to some degree). But already with those 3D printed ones, we are basically doomed. Of course it's a tragedy of the commons type of situation. But banning all legal uses does not prevent the illegal ones.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#28

This is the first startup here where I think the tech should essentially be illegal. It's cool tech, yes I'm impressed at the achievement. Nuclear weapons are impressive too. OTOH this kind of thing is getting easier and easier to do, so what's a realistic way forward?

What if the voice sample is somebody saying they give specific consent to be cloned by that service?

You could of course clone a voice to generate that "consent" -- but at that point there's no additional harm done because they'd already have the clone.

It's unrealistic that this tech won't exist somewhere, even if the big actors stay away for ethical reasons. A voice auth practice strikes me as a good compromise.

Re: Launch HN: Play.ht (YC W23) – Generate and clone voices from 20 seconds of audio

#30
post #4

How do you assert that the cloned voice has been truly permitted by the voice owner? I've had my voice cloned without my consent by other people using Descript and Eleven Labs. What is your process for verifying consent?

It's mentioned in the second demo video that they have a strict process to prevent cases like yours. I think Descript started asking for identity verification after its service was abused. This one probably has a similar process too.

Right, and I'm sure their "strict process" is something like "we take it down after you notify us and provide proof that the voice is yours".
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