I haven’t read the post.
Don’t tell me, it’s to “protect the children”, the excuse under which all draconian citizen monitoring laws are introduced.
The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
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Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I prefer popular sovereignty. You can support a government.
How does popular sovereignty work without some collective entity imposing accountability on bad actors?
It's simple. Once there are enough sovereign citizens, they can band together and form an agreement to work together for mutual protection. They will probably need to lay out at a minimum what is unacceptable for their group and steer towards common ground. I'm not sure what they should call this group. Since they are steering and Latin is popular for naming things how about we call it something like gubernare? I guess that sounds a bit old fashioned. Maybe French would help? Gouvernement? No sounds too fancy. Government? PERFECT! Let's call it that.
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is only true if you give up once it passes. Then you only have to win once to get it repealed.
I don't see the EU repealing much. How can there be an expectation of a fruitful campaign to accomplish that? Would it require a sea change in the outlook of the ruling blocs of MPs? Asking sincerely.
They do repeal stuff (though it's usually "changed" not repealed per se), but if this gets approved the next step would be the CJEU or possibly the ECHR
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#84Suggested alternative: The "End Political Corruption Proposal" "Given that political corruption is rife in European countries, with great detriments to the healthy function of government, all politicians in positions where they may be engaging in corrupt behavior must submit to 24-7 audio and video surveillance, which will be piped over public platforms for crowdsourcing of corruption detection. All personal communic…
While you're at it there should be a 1 year look back. So if you want to run for election you have to start recording a year earlier so we can compare your actions to that of the other Big Brother^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d candidates. I do suspect that having a hot spouse and active sex life would become a significant advantage when running.
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Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because any government's primary objective is to secure the power of the government, and most governments including western "democratic" ones view their people as the biggest threat to that objective. Which they are right about, mind you.
Any institution's primary objective is to secure it's own power (the second is to expand those powers). It's as true for governments as it is for corporations, religions, and even the home gardening club.
Sounds like good argument for competition. I haven't heard of a case where a garden club expanded it's power enough to prevent members from leaving and establishing their own.
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#86I happen to be reading 1984 for the first time right now - that book was published in 1949, and gee did Orwell have the EU scoped out - even though he kind of missed by a couple of decades. There's so many real life parallels that I'm getting the chills.
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Technically, (presumably) because of the missing payload. Subtle or patent, the actual «real life parallels» are the substantive part.
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the case of EU the member states would just leave if the union starts becoming too corrupt. Until they create a no-leave rule there isn't much to worry about. When they create a no-leave rule then we should start worry, since then EU is heading towards becoming USA.
So edgy
That doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#88It doesn't matter, the EU has already crossed the point of no return. Europe is either collapsed or an authoritarian dystopia by the 2030s, no in-betweens. I've been saying this for years and it will be funny to see europeans to catch up to this fact in real time.
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#89The problem with a number of current societies is the shift from the idea of "citizen as a Man" to "citizen as a subject - a humble entity".
This allows to propose conditions that "Men" would never accept. It is the very idea that is fading.
...In fact, for a number of today's common practices we suggest the proposer to think whether [prominent figure] would have ever accepted it.
Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
#90Why every 12 months the European Commission comes up with a total dumb and authoritarian proposal and we have to actively fight it? It’s just tiring
Who elected those guys anyway? I sure never had the chance to vote for any of them.
I'd be more fine with that if they only regulated narrowly defined inter-state issues in the EU.
But stuff like this... There's no mandate. And there's no reason this couldn't be done locally in every member state where the population wants that.