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The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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I happen to be reading 1984 for the first time right now - that book was published in 1949, and gee did Orwell have the EU scoped out - even though he kind of missed by a couple of decades. There's so many real life parallels that I'm getting the chills.

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> downvoted

You mean unplusvoted, citizen.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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If I lived in the EU I'd want to know who are proposing this kind of stuff and help with anything that gets them far from public and government -related jobs forever, but hey, that's me. Lots of people like to give up a bit of freedom and privacy in exchange for an increased sense of security.

It is EU commissioner Ylva Johansson. Unfortunately, there is not much you can do. She is not elected to this position, but appointed, and in this case by a former government who is no longer in power.

To add to this, it's likely to 'originate' from (and is supported by) Thorn[0], which was discussed the previous post of mullvad's campaign.

[0]: https://www.thorn.org/about-our-fight-against-sexual-exploit...

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is EU commissioner Ylva Johansson. Unfortunately, there is not much you can do. She is not elected to this position, but appointed, and in this case by a former government who is no longer in power.

EU seems to have an abundance of unelected regulatory positions. Eurosceptics are right in that EU represents a form of non-democratic decision-making which has the power to supersede (more) democratically formulated laws from member states. Ideally, the autocratic tendencies of the EU and the member states should cancel out by disagreeing with each other, but in reality member states seem unwilling to oppose them mo…

> but in reality member states seem unwilling to oppose them most of the times

That’s because when some of them do they get threatened with sanctions while others can simply dictate policy. The eu is not an equal members club.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Why every 12 months the European Commission comes up with a total dumb and authoritarian proposal and we have to actively fight it? It’s just tiring

Because EU residents allowed them to continue to legislate themselves into irrelevancy. Nobody spoke against GDPR, which is an utterly toothless annoyance.

GDPR achieved nothing notable for data security and privacy, except by spamming cookie prompts and training users to accept anything.

The EU is an incompetent, lumbering, bureaucratic hellscape. It expanded FAR beyond its original remit of a customs union, and in turn created horrific legislation and usurped the power of national governments to centralize power in Brussels.

The EU used its newly seized power to crush all free speech, freedom of expression and dissent, along with explicitly campaigning for censorship. [1]

[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-ha...

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is EU commissioner Ylva Johansson. Unfortunately, there is not much you can do. She is not elected to this position, but appointed, and in this case by a former government who is no longer in power.

But remember, it's racists in the UK who wanted to leave this organization.

Its not like UK is doing better without EU.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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This is when I get super hopeful that more draconian bullshit like this gets passed. The only way to get regular people to stop accepting their government's bullshit is to severely outrage them. Tiny outrages just get accepted as the new norm.

You assume that people want to learn from their mistakes instead of doubling, tripling down, ad infinitum.

The last 8 or so years has taught me otherwise.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because any government's primary objective is to secure the power of the government, and most governments including western "democratic" ones view their people as the biggest threat to that objective. Which they are right about, mind you.

I agree. With this in mind, can government ever fully work? It seems like it’s becoming a behemoth that will need to be killed and redesigned in the future, just like it happened in the past

It will never fully work, as we have as many opinions on what good government looks like as there are people on this earth. What one considers good government, is someone else’s nightmare government.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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This is when I get super hopeful that more draconian bullshit like this gets passed. The only way to get regular people to stop accepting their government's bullshit is to severely outrage them. Tiny outrages just get accepted as the new norm.

I have experienced very draconian bullshit getting passed. Would not recommend.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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post #65
post #7

Why every 12 months the European Commission comes up with a total dumb and authoritarian proposal and we have to actively fight it? It’s just tiring

Because EU residents allowed them to continue to legislate themselves into irrelevancy. Nobody spoke against GDPR, which is an utterly toothless annoyance. GDPR achieved nothing notable for data security and privacy, except by spamming cookie prompts and training users to accept anything. The EU is an incompetent, lumbering, bureaucratic hellscape. It expanded FAR beyond its original remit of a customs union, and in…

GDPR has forced many large companies to implement data retention policies enabling the (eventual) purge of data related to closed accounts. Before GDPR, account data was usually just kept around forever.
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