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The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Post by TOMDM »

This is especially important in the age of LLM's.

Large scale surveillance while abusive and harmful has historically been limited in scale by the ability of those in control to trawl through data.

Automated "moderation" of dragnet communications collection with modern AI holds the potential for a scale of abusive privacy invasion at unprecedented scales.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Post by dmix »

While I appreciate their efforts 100% it's sad people need infographics and ads to know why this is a terrible idea.

Although I've seen enough HN comments in recent years willing to gamble on giving their kind an inch as if they won't take the whole field given the chance. History's only reliable lesson here is humans having a short memory of trusting these systems to do what they initially promised they would do, for longer than the well-intentioned's term in office.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Post by O__________O »

In a survey, only 18% of 10,265 citizens from 10 EU countries supported the plan:

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/poll-72-of-citizens-oppose-...

* 10 countries being: Netherlands, Poland, Germany, Italy, France, Austria, the Czech Republic, Spain, Sweden and Ireland

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Post by whitemary »

TOMDM wrote: post #2

This is especially important in the age of LLM's. Large scale surveillance while abusive and harmful has historically been limited in scale by the ability of those in control to trawl through data. Automated "moderation" of dragnet communications collection with modern AI holds the potential for a scale of abusive privacy invasion at unprecedented scales.

From the perspective of EU leaders, LLMs are the final ingredient. They won't be able to sleep knowing the NSA is having all the fun without them.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Post by ShroudedNight »

This is so awful that it strikes me as likely being a door-in-the-face[1] proposal designed to make a more 'reasonable' proposal that is still vile on its own merits seem palatable.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

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