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BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by roflyear »

ericd wrote: post #17
endisneigh wrote: post #11

this is cool, but hm, how should I put it... Ultimately there's a relationship between the preciseness in which you want to control something and the underlying information, as conveyed in language, to describe such precision. Whether you use plain english, or code - ultimately to do things of sufficient precision you will have to be equally precise in your description. I'm sure someone with more time and more knowle…

Well, you get precision with imprecise communication via iteration. You walk together toward the correct mutual understanding by successive clarifications.

Sure but GPT certainly cannot actually do this. It can iterate, but in GPT-world that means "give me another response" not "learn from what i'm saying, and give me another response"

The issue is, sometimes those two things seem to be the same thing!

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by jxf »

JoeDaDude wrote: post #32

Famous quote: "Wouldn't it be nice if our machines were smart enough to allow programming in natural language?". Well, natural languages are most suitable for their original purposes, viz. to be ambiguous in, to tell jokes in and to make love in, but most unsuitable for any form of even mildly sophisticated precision. And if you don't believe that, either try to read a modern legal document and you will immediately s…

While I agree, I don't think this is what Dijkstra was speaking about. A lot of the "AI interfaces" are just underpinning the real technical representation. For example, if you say "Which customers recently bought product #721?" this might generate a SQL query like "select * from customers where ...".

The interface is not the ChatGPT text box; it's SQL. The ChatGPT text box is just an assistant to help you do the correct thing (or at least, that's the way it should be used).

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by samstave »

endisneigh wrote: post #11

this is cool, but hm, how should I put it... Ultimately there's a relationship between the preciseness in which you want to control something and the underlying information, as conveyed in language, to describe such precision. Whether you use plain english, or code - ultimately to do things of sufficient precision you will have to be equally precise in your description. I'm sure someone with more time and more knowle…

"Zoom Enhance!" -- Hear me out:

One interesting thing would be to describe a scene and get the rough print. But do it in sections, such that you can select and begin to refine sections and elements within the scene to whittle down to the preciseness that pleases you for each element...

What would be really interesting will be how geometry nodes can be managed using gpt.

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by ksrm »

Thorentis wrote: post #20
bigbassroller wrote: post #2

I know this tech is terrifying to actual 3D artist who don’t want be a “prompt engineer”, but as someone who has never used Blender, I think its cool that I can create something using tools like this and use them in my projects, ex background animation on a website hero section.

It just raises the bar so that 3D artists who are only capable of reproducing the same boring things they saw in YouTube tutorials are no longer considered proficient. The more I think about this trend, the more I think it might be good. Bootcamp devs are no longer good enough for junior roles since a GPT could replace them. Digital media people who learnt via YouTube and have no real talent are no longer skilled eno…

It is good when people lose their jobs, actually!

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by westoncb »

roflyear wrote: post #49
westoncb wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In (language model-backed) natural language interfaces the loss of precision can be made up via iteration. If it were about getting it right on the first try this would be a dead end but there's no need for that restriction.

Yeah maybe! Just like if you have enough monkeys iterating on enough keyboards...

Just a few monkeys should be fine ;)

If this weren't the case then it wouldn't be possible for (e.g.) the software industry to exist as it does: non-technical folks using natural language are able to converse with engineers who take informal descriptions and turn them into code, often leaning heavily on iteration the bring code and spec into conformance.

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by whateveracct »

JoeDaDude wrote: post #32

Famous quote: "Wouldn't it be nice if our machines were smart enough to allow programming in natural language?". Well, natural languages are most suitable for their original purposes, viz. to be ambiguous in, to tell jokes in and to make love in, but most unsuitable for any form of even mildly sophisticated precision. And if you don't believe that, either try to read a modern legal document and you will immediately s…

I really feel this. Whenever I try to use ChatGPT, I feel both slow and strained. My usual workflow involves me thinking very few English sentences in my head - I move faster thanks to abstract thought, and I don't think I'm alone.

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by lwhi »

jxf wrote: post #52
JoeDaDude wrote: post #32

Famous quote: "Wouldn't it be nice if our machines were smart enough to allow programming in natural language?". Well, natural languages are most suitable for their original purposes, viz. to be ambiguous in, to tell jokes in and to make love in, but most unsuitable for any form of even mildly sophisticated precision. And if you don't believe that, either try to read a modern legal document and you will immediately s…

While I agree, I don't think this is what Dijkstra was speaking about. A lot of the "AI interfaces" are just underpinning the real technical representation. For example, if you say "Which customers recently bought product #721?" this might generate a SQL query like "select * from customers where ...". The interface is not the ChatGPT text box; it's SQL. The ChatGPT text box is just an assistant to help you do the cor…

Your example isn't very comparible to tasks involved in creating, texturing, lighting, animating and rendering 3D models using spline and mesh topologies.

Re: BlenderGPT: Use commands in English to control Blender with OpenAI's GPT-4

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Post by lwhi »

capableweb wrote: post #15
endisneigh wrote: post #11

this is cool, but hm, how should I put it... Ultimately there's a relationship between the preciseness in which you want to control something and the underlying information, as conveyed in language, to describe such precision. Whether you use plain english, or code - ultimately to do things of sufficient precision you will have to be equally precise in your description. I'm sure someone with more time and more knowle…

It could also be that something like this is just another tool in the toolbox. Sure, you could spend time trying to understand Blender's Python API, but lots of Blender users are not programmers. It could be really helpful for them to be able to say "Place 10 spot lights at random position within the boundaries of Mesh 3 with random intensity and color" and just have that appear, rather than having to go looking for…

What's the benefit in not being specific, aside from it being easier to request?
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