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U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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Oh right my bad. People MUST live in a house, I completely forgot thats a law in US.

Note that "home" ≠ "house". Gp said "home", which is correct, and your response is a non sequitur.

From the article

> The United States is not building enough homes to account for the number of people setting up their own households.

This refers to houses.

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Don't fall for the socialism anti-landlord brainrot. People have plenty of places to live. This is more about the fact that people want to have the same financial opportunity to own a house. It sucks that the older generation had an opportunity to buy a house that has risen in value, with an area that got gentrified with more stuff around them, and were able to refinance during Covid at like 2-3%, while the younger g…

> Don't fall for the socialism anti-landlord brainrot. Then how do you explain the massive number of evictions and hockey-stick rise in rent prices from 2010-2020 without blaming greedy landlords? "Oopsie doopsie rents fell up?"

These things happen in high COL areas. Of course the rents are going to rise when people are willing to pay more. This is supply demand. In a lot of cases, property taxes are assessed based on the value, and the people renting and paying the higher rent are actually making more money than the landlord. Also you don't blame companies for charging you for a product that you like the price they do, considering that it takes much, much less to actually make it - are those companies being greedy?

People get displaced, move outside of the area, and find places to live. In some cases, they buy houses in rural areas for a lower cost, and then 5-6 years later the gentrification radius grows and their house goes up in value. Look at Northern Virginia for example of this.

The main that is missing is good public transport system (or government level investment in autonomous driving). In Europe, its natural to commute about an hour or so to work, often from a different town to a bigger city. In US this happens as well, the difference though is that you have to sit in traffic in a car.

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That makes zero sense. Do you think those rental units disappear off the market? There isnone unified housing market, rent and buy. People can still rent if they can’t buy. Building more will inevitably fix the housing market, even if one investor owns every single new house.

Question: Adding out of state investors to the demand pool ( that additionally can out bid locals) will likely A. Increase house prices B. Decrease house prices Question 2: adding rent seeking middlemen between people and housing is likely going to a. reduce costs for housing B. Increase cost for housing So there’s a finite supply of house, investors from out of state are now competing, increasing demand but also hav…

When investors build with the intention of renting, they typically build at higher density. The only real barrier producing artificially high demand are policies preventing high density building. This is also the thing which makes housing an attractive investment option in the first place. Improved policy will fix both of these problems.

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In my area, friend groups are organizing into LLPs and buying up houses for investments. Individual people home shopping have to deal with this kind of competition. Houses are bid out of their price range and become airbnbs.

Yep. Why live in a house when you can charge someone $1200/nt to stay there and a $600 cleaning fee? (Basically every house that can sleep more than 6 people in the northeast)

Yet I've seen many reports[1] of occupancy rates dropping precipitously, despite increasing users, because of increased competition.

[1]: https://time.com/6223185/airbnbs-empty-short-term-rentals/

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> move 3 power poles > House will be 3200sqft > Construction budget is $2m > impossible for new construction by family’s Sorry, but this looks like one of the most incredibly out-of-touch rich people comments I've ever read. You're building a freaking castle in the middle of the city, moving roads around, and then you go on to say "families" can't build?? Maybe you're right and even building a modest home in the subu…

Did you miss where they stated the city is making them do that stuff?

Choosing to build a giant home in the LA hills with a budget of $2M just for construction is the out of touch rich people thing, not the additional issues with the city.

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Well, in my instance we’re hoping to have another child and we only have two usable bedrooms. We could get by if need be, but it’s not like many people get a new house for the hell of it. Usually it’s because of new life circumstances.

Anyone who is capable of getting a second mortgage will consider holding it and renting it out if they can. The yield is very likely to be higher than the payments these days.

But now that the second mortgage is so much more expensive, fewer people will be able to do it right? More specifically, previously you could borrow against the increasing value of your home, at a low interest rate, to fund the next purchase. This is what everyone on the investment side was doing. With neither of those factors true any longer, it seems this scenario will be less common.

At a higher level, I think this is what the transfer of wealth looked like for the past decade.

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There are ~30 vacant homes per homeless person in the US. Tell me how that makes any sense.

People would rather be homeless in a temperate climate than live in a dilapidated building in the rust belt?

I hear your point, and I wonder what the stats are on livability of these vacant homes. Cause I bet the other side of the spectrum is true too: luxury units that just sit there because the price point is so high.

But beyond that, housing as investment property alienates people from the natural reward of caring for housing. We ought to be leaving into and communicating peoples' natural desire to make home livable. Instead we rip people from it, we punish people by forcing them to switch apartments when they're perfectly happy.

So many people effectively live in in slow motion life long exile.

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> If homes are to be affordable that means more need to be built. Try pricing what it would take to buy a plot of land and build a home on it. In some places there are very expensive local regulations that must be satisfied. However, just the base value of some land with utility access, physical materials, and labor to assemble the home is "unaffordable." If the difference between the cost to produce a home and the s…

In 2019 I purchased land in Mt Washington, about 15mins outside downtown Los Angeles for $200k. My father is a builder back home in Australia so we know more about building that most. Even the after 3+ years, we finally received permits. The city is making us widen the road ($75k), extend a water main 12 feet ($75k), move 3 power poles (can’t get LADWP to tell us what that’s going to cost yet as they have to design i…

A lot of what you are describing is regional issues for costal cities. My specific comment was pointing that {Base land + Materials + Labor} is very expensive, and while addressing these fees and red tape might be important, it's not the whole cake. I was also targeting a more modest experience.

In Texas it might be $40k land (varies by size and location), $250k for construction ($115/sqft * 2250 sqft), and maybe $50k for utilities/landscaping/driveway/permits etc (varies by taste and location). So $350k for a house in a state with a $70k median household income. With a 20% downpayment and a 6.5% interest rate this median family for a median house would spend 1 year salary on the downpayment and over a third of their gross income on the mortgage. If they had a typical amount of debt from cars, credit cards, or student loans their DTI would be too high to qualify.

EDIT: To my original point. Saying "Build more homes" is an oversimplification. Homes are largely priced such that they equal {Land + Building value}, and new homes are largely priced at { Land + Construction costs + reasonable margin for developer }. If you want to build more homes, look at how building can be cheaper. There are some clear low hanging fruit you are describing in your LA experience, but even where the regulatory environment and labor costs are more reasonable the numbers don't crunch well. Let's have conversations about how to reduce the cost of producing housing. Getting cost low enough that the median household income can afford new construction would absolutely drive up the number of homes being built.

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Taking a mentally ill fentanyl addict from San Francisco and dropping them in a condemned house in Scranton PA is not actually going to solve the problems you think it will.

There’s actually a philosophy called “housing first” that says you cannot solve those other problems without housing those people. 99 percent invisible did a podcast series on the reality and nuance of homelessness. It is the best take I’ve seen and really opened my eyes on a number of things. Episode 3 covers housing first, but I would recommend going through the whole thing. https://99percentinvisible.org/need/

Exactly! It often does solve those problems when combined with other necessary resources like mental health care and help finding community and meaningful ways to occupy time, like getting a job or going back to school.

Housing first is evidence based too. And cheaper than emergency services. And when done right much more dignified.

Yet here we have this society full of punitive know it all skeptics who don't actually seem care about the evidence quite as much as they care about dominating social structures that help them feel better about their insecurities.

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Not based on the one I’m living in. It’s the definition of lipstick on a pig. Serious fundamental problems with a nice looking exterior. It’s been nothing but problems for the last 8 years.

Could you elaborate on what problems occur on those houses versus normally sized ones? Framing? The foundation?

Every bathroom was finished with normal drywall instead of the water resistant stuff. The vents in the upstairs bathrooms just vented into the attic space leading to moisture issues in up there. There must also be an issue with either the framing or the foundation because we have the ceiling separating from the drywall in almost every room in the house in addition to cracks developing in the drywall. I know some amount of settling over time and cracks are sometimes normal, but I’ve never seen them this frequently. Our floors are also uneven and you can feel them moving as you walk across them.

In the bathrooms they also picked the cheapest bathroom fixtures imaginable. They looked decent at first, but it was also quickly corroded and the lights literally fell apart. We have one of those fancy three head shower setups and we discovered that the main shower head corroded and broke off inside the wall when our youngest innocently asked us why it was raining in the dining room. We also have water hammering issues when running the washing machine because they didn’t bother to put in a flow arrester.

On the exterior, our driveway and sidewalks were all laid with insufficiently packed base material. These gaps and buckles are reaching the point where we have to fix them or risk liability when the mailman trips over them. Our gutters were incorrectly installed and they have been slowly leaking down one corner of our house and we’ve found water damage in the basement due to this. The foundation in the garage also has done some settling because the stone work at the base has large cracks developed in it. In addition, our windows and doors are really just polite suggestions for the wind to stay outside because they picked such cheap options. You can literally feel a breeze through most of our windows.

I’m sure there were other minor things which I’m not thinking of, but the quality between our first house which cost 1/3rd of this house is night and day. The only thing the inspector found was the the cracks in the garage brick walls but those are a facade and the inspector told us it was cosmetic damage and the sidewalk was easily fixable via mud jacking. Those were issues we were willing to take on. There’s no way we would have bought the house if we’d known that there were so many issues. As we’ve been trying to address the issues we’ve been finding, we always seem to uncover another problem that needs to be fixed. Feels like a race we are losing.

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