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I haven't read the bills yet but according to the article it applies to children under 18. 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh*t, for the same reasons I would now. (So does dad me, incidentally. My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine.)
I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.
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Doesn’t the fact that drugs, alcohol and tobacco (which are already illegal for kids) are available in this way illustrate how useless a ban would be? If you want to protect your kids from these things then you need to educate them and get them to enforce the rules themselves.
The vast majority of 13 y.os do not have access to drugs, alcohol and tobacco.
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> HN appears to be totally banhammered under this since /the mods/ don’t post the news. Does HN have more than 5 million user accounts?
What does it matter whether it has more than 5 million accounts? Why not 50K accounts?
It's been odd to see this pushback against social media transform into actual legislation for a flat out ban. Not forcing social media companies to end the use of tracking and dark patterns mind you, a flat our ban. It seems like admitting that humans just can't have unfettered access to each other's lives on a global scale. We can't stand to talk and exchange controversial opinions and see each other's best highlights without falling into toxicity, envy, and tribalism, nihilism and depression.
I don't like that thought, it doesn't bode well for our species.
I can't imagine what my childhood would have been like if I wasn't able to break out of the box my parents and society out me in and really reach out to conversations and ideas that many people would find dangerous. I don't think its an exaggeration to say I probably would have killed myself. And I mean that in a very real way. Society doesn't tend to be very kind to people like me. I realized I was a MAP from a young age and grew up thinking no matter what I did I was going to be a monster. I can't imagine what it would be like not to have anyone to talk to about that. Being at such a vulnerable age and not finding anyone who would listen.
The other commenters are right, this law is going to harm marginalized groups in Utah. Replacing the parents and preventing children from freely exchanging ideas isn't going to fix the core negative incentives that make these platforms addictive and toxic. Nor is it going to address the societal changes that would reduce people's dependence of social media. It's not going to make kids suddenly go outside and meet one another again. Maybe I'm wrong, I mean I hope I am, but I doubt it.
God I remember how much it sucked being a kid. Getting treated as property of my parents, as if they knew what was best for me when they couldn't even take care of them selves. All that unfiltered internet access led me to a successful InfoSec career, it led to an escape from my shit-hole life.
But my biggest concern is the possibility of stifling online anonymity through some aged verification system. A second-order effect that basically chills free speech without directly legislating on it. I'd hate for my kid to inherit a world like that, a world where they have to supply an ID to comment on Hacker News.
It seems like something worth fighting against. It makes me feel like being violent.
The law allows parents to open up everything and give full access if that’s what they decide is best for their children. No freedoms are removed.
The world existed before the internet. Let kids be kids. I personally would rather have my children playing outside, running through creeks barefoot, learning to interact with people face to face than have them develop so many of the destructive behaviours that can develop through un monitored internet access. Many here are assuming it’s an all or nothing approach to internet usage which really isn’t the case. The spirit of the law is to limit the facebooks and the TikTok’s that have been shown to be one of the influences on increased suicide rates among youth.
I feel like this is a response to the exponential popularity of sites like r/exmormon among younger generations. For example, look at these exceptions. It seems like organic, unapproved discussion between users is what the bill is trying to stifle: > (D) news, sports, entertainment, or other content that is preselected by the provider and not user generated, ... (Q) to permit comments on a digital news website, if th…
Gay guy here. I have always said that these sort of laws designed to protect children will do precisely the opposite. An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. Whilst I don't doubt social media causes a lot of harm on children growing up, giving parents full access to your messages is not the solution. In my opinion, ba…
The level of which kids compare themselves to other kids took an exponential leap to a near hive mind level. Constantly comparing themselves to the instagram people with fake lives, rich kids, or extremely beautiful people is mentally damaging them.
My daughter asked me for plastic surgery, and I was dumbfounded. So I went check her internet logs, and she's been watching rich kids of instagram/tiktok/etc. So now I'm trying to figure out how to talk with her about this.
There is balance, but as her mother I don't think I'll be letting her have internet privacy until she's grown up and moved out.
I applaud the law. I personally have children and want my children to be able to manoeuvre through adolescence, development, and puberty without the barrage of garbage the world throws at them. The law allows parents to open up everything and give full access if that’s what they decide is best for their children. No freedoms are removed. The world existed before the internet. Let kids be kids. I personally would rath…
Surveillance, for-profit mythomania, and predatory consumerist garbage... as well as other types of predation.
I applaud the law. I personally have children and want my children to be able to manoeuvre through adolescence, development, and puberty without the barrage of garbage the world throws at them. The law allows parents to open up everything and give full access if that’s what they decide is best for their children. No freedoms are removed. The world existed before the internet. Let kids be kids. I personally would rath…
Keep saying it. Whatever China does is ridiculed and laughed at only to be quietly adapted into Western democracies 10 years later. But we get to vote on it so that makes it better I guess?