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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by pavel_lishin »

ryankshaw wrote: post #31
taylodl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.

I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.

But that's not what would happen:

> Utah has become the first US state to require social media firms get parental consent for children to use their apps and verify users are at least 18.

> The bills also impose a social media curfew that blocks children's access between 22:30 and 06:30, unless adjusted by their parents.

So there would very much be something you could do about it, and your kids would find out.

You're still the quote-unquote bad guys. You still have to, gasp, parent.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by nonethewiser »

bparsons wrote: post #34
paxys wrote: post #16

Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

You could say the same thing about cigarette and alcohol sales.

Which are illegal to minors.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by vxNsr »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #451
swexbe wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like what?

Two off the top of my head: - Chilling effect on political discussions. Good luck campaigning to overturn these laws if you can't do so without fear of reprisal from government officials or your local community. - Limiting the ability for marginalized groups to seek support; LGBTQ youth, ex-mormons, etc., would be directly harmed by this.

Why would your local community attack you for campaigning for anonymity?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by nonethewiser »

pc2g4d wrote: post #358

Generally I support parents taking action to protect their kids from the harms of social media; but coming from a state government, and this one in particular, it comes across as a bit draconian the approach being taken. The hidden agenda does seem to be keeping Mormon youth from encountering materials critical of LDS church truth claims. Too little too late, but I'm sure that's one intended consequence.

You might be experiencing cognitive dissonance

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by nonethewiser »

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #383

I get that SM can have lot of bad effects on people But being controlled and micro-managed by your parents when you're at a stage to naturally seek independence and autonomy.... yeah, can't imagine how that would badly impact anyone of these kids. Like, at all. How about instead empowering kids to learn about the science of tech addiction, or addiction in general, and the science of how SM effects people...and also t…

> How about instead empowering kids to learn about the science of tech addiction

What if we made selling tobacco legal to minors but continued to educate them on the health risks?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by throwayyy479087 »

decremental wrote: post #315
holmesworcester wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't read the bills yet but according to the article it applies to children under 18. 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh*t, for the same reasons I would now. (So does dad me, incidentally. My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine.)

> My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine This is such a hilariously bad take. No wonder kids are so screwed up with parents having an attitude like that.

Agreed. It’s not even a take it’s just a concerning statement. They should care.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by nonethewiser »

isaacremuant wrote: post #395

Laws can't and shouldn't substitute good parenting. Laws of this kind only make it worse for everyone and teen who knows a bit will find ways to bypass them. It's a bad slippery slope to even more government overreach in what was once, an avenue for democratisation of the conversation and freedom: the internet.

YouTube has content filtering for kids which parents could never mimic. App level moderation just cannot be achieved by a parent.

These social media companies have a direct relationship with their users, many of which are kids. They need to serve their child users appropriate content, and in an appropriate manner.

Furthermore, there is nothing in this bill that stops parents from parenting.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by kvetching »

morbia wrote: post #365
heavyset_go wrote: post #306

I feel like this is a response to the exponential popularity of sites like r/exmormon among younger generations. For example, look at these exceptions. It seems like organic, unapproved discussion between users is what the bill is trying to stifle: > (D) news, sports, entertainment, or other content that is preselected by the provider and not user generated, ... (Q) to permit comments on a digital news website, if th…

Gay guy here. I have always said that these sort of laws designed to protect children will do precisely the opposite. An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. Whilst I don't doubt social media causes a lot of harm on children growing up, giving parents full access to your messages is not the solution. In my opinion, ba…

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