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Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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There are also downsides to reducing anonymity - many more than benefits.

Like what?

Two off the top of my head:

- Chilling effect on political discussions. Good luck campaigning to overturn these laws if you can't do so without fear of reprisal from government officials or your local community.

- Limiting the ability for marginalized groups to seek support; LGBTQ youth, ex-mormons, etc., would be directly harmed by this.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Social Media use is probably worse than smoking for kids. Smoking gives you a 15% chance to get cancer in 50 years but instagram gives you a 66% chance of depression today. It’s incredibly, empirically unhealthy and it should be banned for children.

Social media is toxic and addicting. Kids hardly stand a chance against it.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire. I'd still not like to live in that world.

Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives. They're taking away the power Facebook has over many people's lives so people might enjoy their lives in more social and healthy ways again.

> Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives.

Is this not exactly them telling people how to live their lives? "Live offline."

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Social Media use is probably worse than smoking for kids. Smoking gives you a 15% chance to get cancer in 50 years but instagram gives you a 66% chance of depression today. It’s incredibly, empirically unhealthy and it should be banned for children.

Why let 18 year olds+ use it then? If it's that bad, it sounds more like crack, which we ban for everybody.

I’m in favor of autonomy for adults but yeah, that might be a better world.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

Absurd objection. Tech platforms are obviously the only ones capable of moderating their users at an application level.

Should we remove content filters on YouTube and ask parents to filter content instead?

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Gay guy here. I have always said that these sort of laws designed to protect children will do precisely the opposite. An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. Whilst I don't doubt social media causes a lot of harm on children growing up, giving parents full access to your messages is not the solution. In my opinion, ba…

> An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. How?

Presumably the "giving parents full access to online accounts" part. It isn't difficult to imagine scenarios in which a minor is "outed" because a parent exercises their power under the law.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Gay guy here. I have always said that these sort of laws designed to protect children will do precisely the opposite. An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. Whilst I don't doubt social media causes a lot of harm on children growing up, giving parents full access to your messages is not the solution. In my opinion, ba…

> An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. How?

This has me scratching my head too

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I welcome it. Breaking the way the internet is used these days would be a huge win for society as a whole no matter how painful it might look at first.

You want full corporate control and mandatory remote attestation on your devices to comply with these laws?

I don’t think that’s where this goes. I think this leads to less internet use in general. Just like when Apple broke Facebook’s mobile tracking the ad dollars dried up and forced Facebook to scramble to find a new tracking mechanism which most agree is subpar and thus that revenue hasn’t returned. I’m hopeful that people spend less time in anonymized spaces that aren’t conducive to healthy discussion and relationships and instead seek out each other in real life.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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So this is like... let's introduce these concepts at a certain age level ("think of the kids") to normalize control over a population, eventually expanding it to undesirables? This is dangerous. Just like the groomers thing. The best thing about the internet has been unadulterated, unrestricted access to information. Parents should be more involved with what their kids are seeing, but kids seeing anything (from neope…

"Restricting the firehose of content driving mass upticks in childhood suicide rates, obesity, porn usage, and mental health issues - this is dangerous!".

Interesting analogy.

Have you ever tried to squeeze a firehose shut without turning off the water first?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Why let 18 year olds+ use it then? If it's that bad, it sounds more like crack, which we ban for everybody.

I’m in favor of autonomy for adults but yeah, that might be a better world.

I can respect that position. I tend to be very in favor of autonomy for older kids/adolescents because I think going from 0 to 100 and having them be 18 and fully responsible is going to result in bad decisions. Like we see with drinking, or if we gave kids driver's licenses at 18 with no education. They need a period of time when they have autonomy but also support and some people around them to veto things or else they can't learn to make good decisions.
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