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Whats going on at Roblox? Curious, as a parent myself.
History of adults masquerading as children for purposes of pedophilia.
History of adults masquerading as church leaders for purposes of pedophilia.
Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access
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I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.
Hopefully this is hyperbole. Seems a bit extreme to hope the government legislates away industries because you don't want to handle the parenting yourself.
You can ban social media as a parent today and damage your child's social life.
If it's banned for every child equally, they will have to meet up irl or call each other like in the 80s or whatever. Whatever the alternative, it shifts the dynamic and doesn't isolate your child.
Regulations for kids is not simply about bad parenting but can be about prisoner's dilemma-like situations where everyone needs to work together for a good outcome and, unless a decent percentage gets on board at more or less the same time, it's counterproductive for individuals.
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#423Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…
> There’s exceptions for email, Netflix, Amazon, news, traditional media kinds of sites. The fact that there are 20 categories of services exempted shows that this is a terrible bill that is based on punishing specific actors and not regulating data privacy or child wellbeing in a meaningful way. for reference, line 165 to 224 of that link are the exceptions: "Social media platform" does not include an online service…
(G) photo editing that has an associated photo hosting service, if the interaction with
other users or account holders is generally limited to liking or commenting
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I do think this a reasonable rebuttal, but there must be some middle ground here. Generally speaking, I can block TikTok sure, but because it’s so ubiquitous, my kids are ostracized because all their friends have access to it, they still pass around the content like drugs, alcohol and tobacco. It almost becomes one of those things that because they’re not allowed to have access to it, it does just as much damage, soc…
Doesn’t the fact that drugs, alcohol and tobacco (which are already illegal for kids) are available in this way illustrate how useless a ban would be? If you want to protect your kids from these things then you need to educate them and get them to enforce the rules themselves.
The vast majority of 13 y.os do not have access to drugs, alcohol and tobacco.
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Clearly teenagers are smart enough to select an age over 18. The governor's tweet is: https://twitter.com/GovCox/status/1639015949964840960 > SB152 requires social media companies to verify that users in the state are 18 or older to open an account. Minors will need parental consent to create an account. Ok, so what age verification does SB152 require? https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0152.html > 246 (3) (a)…
There are already laws on the books in numerous states requiring porn sites to verify that users are over 18. As far as I know, none of them require users to upload a government ID. As usual I think HN is making leaps of logic without actually reading the law or thinking of how else users might be verified (A $0.10 refundable credit card charge for example).
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Uh, yes, this is why I said "many of us" not "most of us". (not sure why i need to repeat this...) Of course I know people who are in 20s are not necessarily the absolute majority of HN. But there are still many of them.
> I said "many of us" not "most of us". (not sure why i need to repeat this...) We understood it. Not sure why you think we didn't.
Really? Because there are about 20 comments under their original post with the tone of “um actually many of us didn’t grow up that young”.
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>Minecraft is so buggy that it’s truly not suitable for kids, >My kids aren’t allowed to play games I wouldn’t play. Nothing says 'hacker mindset' like your parents deciding for you what games you should and shouldn't like.
This is such a difficult topic. On one hand I want to give the next generation the same freedoms that I enjoyed but on the other hand the “game” has gotten more… everything. Even adults can’t avoid falling for these traps. I’ve seen with my own eyes someone justifying spending USD 90+ on candy crush saying it isn’t that much compared to bla bla. It is a frightening thought though to think — am I more conservative tha…
I'm certainly not. Though i have different conservations in different directions than they could've ever dreamed possible, i doubt that adds up to anywhere near the real conservatism of watching Bill O'Reilly or god forbid Tucker Carlson every night
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#428I feel like this is a response to the exponential popularity of sites like r/exmormon among younger generations. For example, look at these exceptions. It seems like organic, unapproved discussion between users is what the bill is trying to stifle: > (D) news, sports, entertainment, or other content that is preselected by the provider and not user generated, ... (Q) to permit comments on a digital news website, if th…
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Fox News makes the laws in Utah?
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There are benefits to reducing anonymity: accountability, trust, relationships, etc. It's why humans evolved to recognize faces so well. We decide who to trust based on experience. It doesn't matter who controls the identification process, so long as its done fairly. And if corporations or government misuse identification for self-serving purposes, we should certainly push back.
There are also downsides to reducing anonymity - many more than benefits.
Like what?
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> HN appears to be totally banhammered under this since /the mods/ don’t post the news. Does HN have more than 5 million user accounts?
What does it matter whether it has more than 5 million accounts? Why not 50K accounts?
Because every law we write is ultimately arbitrary. Lines have to be drawn through massive swaths of gray area, those lines are entirely arbitrary and should be a sign that making laws like this is pointless.
The 90s Era gun ban that Biden was so proud of is a perfect example. They had to include so many caveats and arbitrary descriptions of what makes a gun an "assault rifle" that manufacturers just dodged the rules with tweaked rifle designs. Something as small as a thumb hole in the grip made a gun legal because of how specific the law had to be.
In this case, what stops a social media company from coming up with some business model where a child company is spun up for every 4.9m users? You could argue its more like Mastodon, a decentralized network that just happens to use the same proprietary protocol, app, and is owned by the same parent Corp.