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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by SpaceL10n »

eldritch_4ier wrote: post #246
thrwawy74 wrote: post #194

So this is like... let's introduce these concepts at a certain age level ("think of the kids") to normalize control over a population, eventually expanding it to undesirables? This is dangerous. Just like the groomers thing. The best thing about the internet has been unadulterated, unrestricted access to information. Parents should be more involved with what their kids are seeing, but kids seeing anything (from neope…

"Restricting the firehose of content driving mass upticks in childhood suicide rates, obesity, porn usage, and mental health issues - this is dangerous!".

"Restricting the firehose of content driving mass upticks in Atheism - this is dangerous!".

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Post by nicoburns »

McSwag wrote: post #380
komali2 wrote: post #307

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Regardless of your ethical stance on the subject, it would be a good exercise to consider who you're ok with determining what kind of content your children can view. Allowing a government to step in to pass laws like this is a draconian step too far. As a parent do you not already have all the tools you need to ensure your children don't use tik Tok? From the light touch and mundane, using the built in features of th…

I do think this a reasonable rebuttal, but there must be some middle ground here. Generally speaking, I can block TikTok sure, but because it’s so ubiquitous, my kids are ostracized because all their friends have access to it, they still pass around the content like drugs, alcohol and tobacco. It almost becomes one of those things that because they’re not allowed to have access to it, it does just as much damage, soc…

Doesn’t the fact that drugs, alcohol and tobacco (which are already illegal for kids) are available in this way illustrate how useless a ban would be?

If you want to protect your kids from these things then you need to educate them and get them to enforce the rules themselves.

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Post by JackMorgan »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #367
kepler1 wrote: post #292

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Why are LGBT youth for some reason the special subgroup of people against whom every concern about rights being tested against? More so than anyone else's rights? It's like they somehow occupy a privileged position in your mind that everyone has to watch out for this group. Why is that?

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Downvoted for speaking real facts right here. Many Christians are given a pass to feel contempt for LGBTQ folks, which leads to dehumanization and hate. I had friends growing up in the 90s who were outed and then forcibly disappeared off to realignment camps. I never saw two of them again and lost contact. After the camp didn't work, they were sent away to live with relatives or boarding schools so to not embarrass the parents with the gay. The comment above isn't hyperbole, it's what really happens. I grew up in terror of my close LGBTQ friends ever getting outed, because I knew we'd never see them again. We all did everything we could to help them keep their cover. We'd never even mention it, we all just knew, and would fabricate stories that made them appear straight.

And keep in mind, there is no evidence that conversion therapy has any success rate. However, it is well known to increase suicide rate by 2.5x. The people who run these groups know they don't work, but do it anyway. There's a saying that sums this up perfectly, "the cruelty is the point".

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Post by spiralx »

bawolff wrote: post #212
raincole wrote: post #103

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

Oh i feel so old. I probably wouldn't be a programmer without sourceforge.

I probably wouldn't be a programmer without ordering floppy disks full of random source code by post from software-by-post catalogues - one letter to ask for a catalogue, get the catalogue in the post, send them a letter with your order and a cheque and receive a bunch of disks a week later...

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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7sidedmarble wrote: post #405

It absolutely boggles my mind how this website can purport to be about hacker ethos, and yet every time a thread like this comes up you get tons of commenters talking about how they are going to tightly control which games and websites there kids have access to, what kind of devices they have access to, when they have access to them, etc. Myself, I think like a lot of people on this website, grew up with basically un…

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Post by boppo1 »

falcolas wrote: post #62

Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

Oddly enough, 4chan is not part of that definition.

There's an edgy 12 year old somewhere in my head cackling and gleefully shouting 'Let the good times roll!'

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Post by newjersey »

7sidedmarble wrote: post #404
geraldwhen wrote: post #398

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But have you actually played Roblox? It’s absolute toxic trash. Almost every single game is a front for purchases, and those that aren’t are barely games at all. Many Minecraft mods are one time purchases that are way, way better than anything Roblox produces, but Minecraft is so buggy that it’s truly not suitable for kids, or anyone for that matter. Minecraft will continuously corrupt saves, so you need to fully rei…

>Minecraft is so buggy that it’s truly not suitable for kids, >My kids aren’t allowed to play games I wouldn’t play. Nothing says 'hacker mindset' like your parents deciding for you what games you should and shouldn't like.

This is such a difficult topic. On one hand I want to give the next generation the same freedoms that I enjoyed but on the other hand the “game” has gotten more… everything. Even adults can’t avoid falling for these traps. I’ve seen with my own eyes someone justifying spending USD 90+ on candy crush saying it isn’t that much compared to bla bla.

It is a frightening thought though to think — am I more conservative than my parents?

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Post by matwood »

cesarb wrote: post #199
raincole wrote: post #103

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

> I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17. I'm sure many of us didn't have any access to StackOverflow and GitHub when we were around 17 years old, because StackOverflow and GitHub didn't exist yet. For several of us, git didn't exist yet. Heck, for some of us, the web didn't exist yet! Kids these days...

> Heck, for some of us, the web didn't exist yet!

Haha...I learned when the web was mainly AOL. MSN at the time had pretty good forums which helped a lot. But the main place I was learning programming from was books, but they were expensive - especially for a college kid. When I would run into problems I couldn't solve I would head to the book store with a pencil and paper and copy bits and pieces that I hoped would help. Then head back home and try again (talk about a long debug run loop). Luckily this was around the same time of the rise of big bookstores where they encouraged hanging out so no one ever questioned me.

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Post by saalweachter »

judge2020 wrote: post #172
falcolas wrote: post #62

Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

> There’s exceptions for email, Netflix, Amazon, news, traditional media kinds of sites. The fact that there are 20 categories of services exempted shows that this is a terrible bill that is based on punishing specific actors and not regulating data privacy or child wellbeing in a meaningful way. for reference, line 165 to 224 of that link are the exceptions: "Social media platform" does not include an online service…

I owe my entire professional career to the Megatokyo forums and the associated IRC server.
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