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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by zokier »

jatins wrote: post #297
nirvdrum wrote: post #161

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What's the solution when so much knowledge work is upended at once? When manufacturing jobs were lost, we callously told people to go to college to learn to learn IT. Whether it's art, code, marketing, or other applied knowledge work, there's a mad dash to reshape all of those. And the sales pitch isn't that it's going to let us work less and equitably reap the rewards of productivity (well, I suppose if you lose you…

In a world where AI makes most of the things/services, wouldn't everything be so cheap that most people can afford it on something like UBI?

In theory yes, in practice that'd require some way to channel the profits from the tech back to society, which has proven tough nut to crack. Notoriously Keynes predicted 15 hour workweeks due the productivity improvements of 20th century. Well, the improvements happened but work weeks didn't get shorter

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Post by 7speter »

stemlord wrote: post #74
wsc981 wrote: post #68

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Yesterday I visited an old, but still reasonably healthy man who has been living in Thailand for 40 years now, maybe longer. Reasonably healthy as in: he doesn't need to visit hospital or use medicine, but his power is now waning a bit due to age. A man originally from Switzerland. 88 years old now. When he arrived in Thailand he bought a nice plot of land and made a quite beautiful garden there, with many fruits and…

I won't be able to afford a plot of land without a job. I feel like we're on the verge of cataclysmic unemployment and I have absolutely no desire to wait in squalor for legislation to catch up with the nifty little UBI idea floating around which seems like should have been sorted yesterday.

Yesterday? Everyday since 2020 people on here and every other forum on the internet have been blaming the $1200 check for bringing on the apocalypse

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by drowsspa »

the_only_law wrote: post #225
markles wrote: post #27

The lack of empathy the HN community has really shines through in many of these replies: > There were no doubt quite a few nail makers pre-industrial revolution that took pride in making consistent, quality nails. > And nothing of value have been lost. > LOL at the reply a couple posts down, where OP admits they work at a mobile shovelware sweatshop.

Wait till more developers are being affected and their pie in the sky ideas about the future don’t come true. I promise you the tune they’re singing will instantly change.

Yeah, clearly developers think they will come out on top...

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Post by chimprich »

saurik wrote: post #325
CommanderData wrote: post #193

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I'm witnessing engineers on my team and myself saving a lot of time in development and in operations (scripting). I have no doubt in my mind it is reducing the need for more engineers and has probably already contributed to a reduction of them and I think it's just getting started.

Compilers and high-level languages assuredly reduced the number of engineers needed, right? No: we just started making much more complicated things and the basic level of "this isn't even a serviceable solution" has gone up so high that if you sat around and wrote a trivial program designed to be used over a teletype--which is got much easier as you can do it in C instead of assembly--you'd lose in the market to your…

Would being the pet of an AI-run civilisation be so bad though? Iain M Banks's Culture novels explore basically this concept, and his vision of utopia is quite appealing.

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Post by tilt_error »

mkmk3 wrote: post #344
anonyfox wrote: post #303

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That’s the total opposite most people around me (many immigrants from the US!) experience for the like last 2 decades actually, where have you been to that draws such a funny picture? Europe has more % Entrepreneurs/Self-employed people than the US, lots of great companies even though not leading in the richest top5-ranking, and the work ethic is focussed during working hours instead of chitchatting/looking busy 12h+…

Could also be the advantage of a unified market helps US startups scale faster, maybe someone else can speak to that better. Its been influential where Ive worked, at least. I also think at least US tech has significantly larger firms, but I dont think thats directly in line with societal good. Seems pretty fucking cancerous to me. Cant speak to industries outside of software though.

There is also a language factor here. 100 years ago, English was not the ‘lingua franca’ of the world, traveling in Europe you were better off with French, German or even Latin.

US marketing currently happen to be understood almost everywhere and native speakers of English have an advantage. A company does not necessarily need to execute better, but through effective communication they may be able to pretend they are.

There are lot of examples of ideas being picked up and reimplemented in the US, where the original was better but where the adaptation got better traction. The film industry is full of it.

Why should ingenuity not be evenly spread around the globe as well as hopes for a better future? The US represents one particular policy for wealth distribution that happen to work well for, in particular, VCs.

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

jeppester wrote: post #354

This very well sums up the anxiety I have about how this is going to affect programming. That any creativity and understanding will be sucked out and replaced with prompt engineering. I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really un…

I agree with the loss of understanding being a bad thing, but I cannot mourn the loss of creativity.

Programming is a core part of our society and infrastructure, yet it's still one like a craft rather than engineering. Creativity should not be part of infrastructure efforts on a level beyond embellishments and experiments.

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Post by benja123 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #359
savef wrote: post #349

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https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ Using this tool on the comment yields a 77.6% fake score. To give (pretty limited) contrast, a response from ChatGPT gives 99.9% fake, and another comment from this thread gives 0.1% fake. I assume that means the comment text was GPT-assisted, with some moderate editing from a human.

This is fascinating. I can’t imagine why someone would go to the trouble to do all that for a comment.

I think it is likely the complete opposite of trouble. It helped them write their comment faster and in such a way that it was easy to understand. This is one of the best use cases for chatgpt. Rather than spend minutes trying to get the right wording, tell chatgpt what you want to say in a few short notes and get a well formed coherent text.

Now if this is a good thing, that’s up for debate - although overall I personally would say yes.

Written with zero chatgpt assistance

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Post by ajani »

Making art of any form is about you, not about the art. When you learn to paint well you are creating you, the piece is just a side effect. Getting good at something affects the way you see the world. It creates meaning in you.

The one sided focus on the finished piece is the outcome of our culture valuing the art more than the creation of the artist. (The creation of you, not your creation.)

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Post by anonyfox »

finikytou wrote: post #378
roenxi wrote: post #308

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And yet if we take a snapshot literally right now: Guido van Rossum - Microsoft Distinguished Engineer Bjarne Stroustrup - professor of Computer Science at Columbia University (City of New York) Linus Torvalds - Nationality American/US since 2010 (should I write GNU/American/US? Someone educate me). Erlang - I don't know anything about Erlang so I've got nothing to say. Nokia - brutally ejected from the market by the…

this is right. but its mostly the proof that when you have the highest military spending in the western world you suddenly get things moving your way.

Ever played some civilization (the game)? A mostly military focussed society can force others into unfavorable agreements, but while doing so other areas of society are lacking, amounting to huge problems later on when

a) blackmailing for some reason stops working

b) non-military related businesses are vanishing

c) increasing %share of your population has a degrading life quality

d) military costs become unsustainable for questionable ROI

… doubling down on military is a death spiral, especially when the funding money comes from slashing public services.

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Post by namaria »

roenxi wrote: post #308
danjac wrote: post #294

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Um...Python, C++, Linux, Erlang, mobile phones (Nokia), Spotify, HTML... Having worked for both European and US companies, I would say that a) innovation is mutual (we learn from each other) and talent/mediocrity are pretty much evenly distributed. The US has a more "dynamic" economy in some sense - for example the VC ecosystem is far better funded - but is detrimental in others (Byzantine health care system deters w…

And yet if we take a snapshot literally right now: Guido van Rossum - Microsoft Distinguished Engineer Bjarne Stroustrup - professor of Computer Science at Columbia University (City of New York) Linus Torvalds - Nationality American/US since 2010 (should I write GNU/American/US? Someone educate me). Erlang - I don't know anything about Erlang so I've got nothing to say. Nokia - brutally ejected from the market by the…

"Europe is irrelevant" is such a weird take for a country built by Europeans, populated by Europeans, using European legal system, European language, etc etc.
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