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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by blackoil »

wsc981 wrote: post #68
markles wrote: post #27

The lack of empathy the HN community has really shines through in many of these replies: > There were no doubt quite a few nail makers pre-industrial revolution that took pride in making consistent, quality nails. > And nothing of value have been lost. > LOL at the reply a couple posts down, where OP admits they work at a mobile shovelware sweatshop.

Yesterday I visited an old, but still reasonably healthy man who has been living in Thailand for 40 years now, maybe longer. Reasonably healthy as in: he doesn't need to visit hospital or use medicine, but his power is now waning a bit due to age. A man originally from Switzerland. 88 years old now. When he arrived in Thailand he bought a nice plot of land and made a quite beautiful garden there, with many fruits and…

This romantic affair works only for rich. Pretty sure the man also has maids, support staff and vendors working for him.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by rafaelero »

kodah wrote: post #105
rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

AI won't take a thought workers job. It just sucks the life out of it. Like the person who wrote this post, I make bespoke software. I tinker, I experiment, and I produce high quality results in reasonable timelines. Executives could not give a shit about that, except that those qualities in me are a good signal that I am dependable. Now, if most companies allow AI bottom performers will speed up and their quality wi…

> AI won't take a thought workers job.

I don't understand how you can hold this position considering not only where we are but also the rate of progress in AI. It has been taking thought workers job and it will increasingly do so in the future until the surplus cognitive workers offer is just so minimal that it's not worth to automate it.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by 462436347 »

These AI systems will sound the death knell for the creative culture of openness and sharing that emerged during the web 1.0 era with the Creative Commons and OSI-approved licenses and sites like DeviantArt, NewGrounds, and SourceForge, and which still exists today, albeit in a less idealistic form.

Once people realize that by putting something, even just a blog post, out for public consumption, especially if done so under a permissive, share-alike license, they're helping to train an AI that will eventually compete with them for their job, they will not only be less inclined to share it (under a permissive license or not), but be less inclined to produce it at all.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #108
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. Link me to a single production app with paying users that was created with AI in minutes. Since it only takes minutes to make you must have a lot of examples.

Why bother issuing such a challenge? You'll win today, but lose decisively in only a few more years.

So you are saying they are right but they are just a few years off? That is the same as being wrong.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by gwbrooks »

rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

>> This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society.

Comments like this always make me wonder: How would that happen? Here in the U.S., there's relatively little appetite for job-saving labor protections and, once you leave the regulatory sphere, everyone -- employers, employees, consumers of products and services -- is consistently self-interested.

Not saying that sort of societal conversation is impossible; just saying I don't have the imagination to see how it could happen with actionable results in the 2023 version of the U.S.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by kodah »

rafaelero wrote: post #112
kodah wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI won't take a thought workers job. It just sucks the life out of it. Like the person who wrote this post, I make bespoke software. I tinker, I experiment, and I produce high quality results in reasonable timelines. Executives could not give a shit about that, except that those qualities in me are a good signal that I am dependable. Now, if most companies allow AI bottom performers will speed up and their quality wi…

> AI won't take a thought workers job. I don't understand how you can hold this position considering not only where we are but also the rate of progress in AI. It has been taking thought workers job and it will increasingly do so in the future until the surplus cognitive workers offer is just so minimal that it's not worth to automate it.

What jobs have been totally replaced thus far?

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by ChatGTP »

chii wrote: post #101
ChatGTP wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting development, these machines have little value but for economic gain. No one employed, means no one will pay to keep the machines alive which means we go back to where we were before the machines? AI art is just as “worthless” as human art. So at the moment these machines depend on an economy. Art was actually never worth anything until we put a price tag on it ? People were never paid for cave paintings.…

> No one employed i highly doubt no one will be employed even in the advent of a true AI singularity. Just differently employed - there will be reasons why someone would pay for your labour.

Yeah, my theory is there will just be more shit to do, more startups, more tech, more than ever before. More ways to scale your business, spend your free time, yada yada yada.

Also most western countries have severely aging populations, there’s are big problem there which automation can help with, if it’s applied right.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Gigachad »

462436347 wrote: post #113

These AI systems will sound the death knell for the creative culture of openness and sharing that emerged during the web 1.0 era with the Creative Commons and OSI-approved licenses and sites like DeviantArt, NewGrounds, and SourceForge, and which still exists today, albeit in a less idealistic form. Once people realize that by putting something, even just a blog post, out for public consumption, especially if done so…

This is insignificant. The training set already exists. And there are plenty who do not care about having data used for training.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by chriscappuccio »

JeremyNT wrote: post #83
wsc981 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday I visited an old, but still reasonably healthy man who has been living in Thailand for 40 years now, maybe longer. Reasonably healthy as in: he doesn't need to visit hospital or use medicine, but his power is now waning a bit due to age. A man originally from Switzerland. 88 years old now. When he arrived in Thailand he bought a nice plot of land and made a quite beautiful garden there, with many fruits and…

Sadly, we are not headed to such a future. The economic benefits of these LLMs will go only to the capitalists, and any labor savings will allow them to reduce wages and headcount while leaving workers unemployed or with less bargaining power. AI will be yet another tool to further wealth inequality. We won't be able to afford retiring and tending to our plants.

Solution: be a capitalist

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by patja »

wsc981 wrote: post #68
markles wrote: post #27

The lack of empathy the HN community has really shines through in many of these replies: > There were no doubt quite a few nail makers pre-industrial revolution that took pride in making consistent, quality nails. > And nothing of value have been lost. > LOL at the reply a couple posts down, where OP admits they work at a mobile shovelware sweatshop.

Yesterday I visited an old, but still reasonably healthy man who has been living in Thailand for 40 years now, maybe longer. Reasonably healthy as in: he doesn't need to visit hospital or use medicine, but his power is now waning a bit due to age. A man originally from Switzerland. 88 years old now. When he arrived in Thailand he bought a nice plot of land and made a quite beautiful garden there, with many fruits and…

Sounds like the conclusion of Candide. When confronted by the misery of Pangloss' best of all possible worlds, we must cultivate our garden.
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