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U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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With high interest rates, payment to income would likely be even worse. I have a hard time seeing how this can be anything but a major problem in a few years, if not before.

If you zoom in on the chart, you can see that the peak and subsequent sharp decline is right at the point where rates started to rise last spring.

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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This is to be expected. Sellers are always reluctant to be reasonable when they are on the wrong side of a peak. The raising of interest rates means prices have to adjust. But after so many years of increasing prices sellers are not yet rational. And yes, some more inventory would help. That said, as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? Price not only need to adjust to interest rate but demogr…

> as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? The McMansions will be unlivable by that point. They weren't built to last.

ENTIRE vinyl villages of McMansions will be unlivable. They aren't even built to last the standard 30y mortgage because the builders know the initial buyers will sell and move on. Cheapest possible 2x4's with worst insulation ever known, all covered up in plastic siding. But hey, it's 10k sq ft right?

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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This is to be expected. Sellers are always reluctant to be reasonable when they are on the wrong side of a peak. The raising of interest rates means prices have to adjust. But after so many years of increasing prices sellers are not yet rational. And yes, some more inventory would help. That said, as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? Price not only need to adjust to interest rate but demogr…

> as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? The McMansions will be unlivable by that point. They weren't built to last.

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Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prices will reset to accommodate.

You sound very confident. Not that I disagree, necessarily, but do you care to elaborate?

The forces that drove prices are over. Low interest rates, and low productivity due to COVID-19. As interest rates rise people will no be able to afford their mortgages. Prices will fall in response.

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? The McMansions will be unlivable by that point. They weren't built to last.

ENTIRE vinyl villages of McMansions will be unlivable. They aren't even built to last the standard 30y mortgage because the builders know the initial buyers will sell and move on. Cheapest possible 2x4's with worst insulation ever known, all covered up in plastic siding. But hey, it's 10k sq ft right?

> with worst insulation ever known,

What are you talking about?

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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From 1950 to 2008 the USA built ~25 million homes per (edit, not year) decade. From 2008 to 2018 it was about 7 million. In recent years building rates have mostly recovered but there's still that gap in production combined with everything else the last handful of years. This isn't to discount the shift of ownership from human persons to corporate persons, that's a factor too. But just numbers of available houses ver…

ChatGPT numbers? That would be 1.45 billion homes from 1950-2008.

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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This is to be expected. Sellers are always reluctant to be reasonable when they are on the wrong side of a peak. The raising of interest rates means prices have to adjust. But after so many years of increasing prices sellers are not yet rational. And yes, some more inventory would help. That said, as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? Price not only need to adjust to interest rate but demogr…

Prices actually have adjusted and have fallen somewhat.

What life event would cause someone who currently owns a home at a It’s a once in a generation type of rate. You’d have to be a complete fool or have some kind of crazy life circumstance to sell.

Over 30% of employers in the US exclusively hire remote employees. Post-pandemic it’s hard for me to imagine someone in the home ownership socioeconomic class giving up that kind of leverage advantage to move for a job.

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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From 1950 to 2008 the USA built ~25 million homes per (edit, not year) decade. From 2008 to 2018 it was about 7 million. In recent years building rates have mostly recovered but there's still that gap in production combined with everything else the last handful of years. This isn't to discount the shift of ownership from human persons to corporate persons, that's a factor too. But just numbers of available houses ver…

ChatGPT numbers? That would be 1.45 billion homes from 1950-2008.

*edit*: I see what I did, the plot I give numbers from is houses per decade. Not per year. Sorry about that. You can confirm the values are still real by comparing the simple plot (via: statista.com, http://a.superkuh.com/USA-number-of-homes-built-between-1900...) to the https://www.census.gov/construction/nrc/historical_data/inde... numbers.

Thanks for pointing out what should have been an obvious error. Yikes.

Re: U.S. home prices are the most unaffordable they've been in nearly 100 years

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This is to be expected. Sellers are always reluctant to be reasonable when they are on the wrong side of a peak. The raising of interest rates means prices have to adjust. But after so many years of increasing prices sellers are not yet rational. And yes, some more inventory would help. That said, as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? Price not only need to adjust to interest rate but demogr…

> as the population ages, who is going to buy all the McMansions? The McMansions will be unlivable by that point. They weren't built to last.

This is a bit dramatic.

All buildings are depreciating assets. This was true before the idea of the McMansion existed.

It’s the land that is scarce and is the appreciating asset.

The truth of the matter is that any house that is around long enough gets repaired over time.

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