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Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by wrineha2 »

paxys wrote: post #16

Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

> What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every visit?

That’s the idea actually.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by krapp »

capableweb wrote: post #20

Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather. We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I decla…

... a sentiment as impotent as it was naive.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by throwaway5959 »

wrineha2 wrote: post #21
paxys wrote: post #16

Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

> What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every visit? That’s the idea actually.

Submit thumb for verification.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by jjulius »

capableweb wrote: post #20

Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather. We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I decla…

This has, "If you write in your FB status that FB doesn't have permission to use your pictures as outlined in their ToS (which you already accepted) then they have to comply with your request," vibes.

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Post by mindslight »

capableweb wrote: post #20

Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather. We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I decla…

This would ring a lot more true if we weren't talking about centralized websites that will enjoy the excuse to demand your government identity, adding to the surveillance databases that power their real business. And until tech culture moves on past this evolutionary dead end, governments will continue to think that the "Internet" is just another thing to be micro-regulated.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by MBCook »

taylodl wrote: post #18
paxys wrote: post #16

Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.

Honestly this seems like the best idea. You can’t get accused of letting a kid access outside approved hours if you don’t allow people in Utah on.

What about adults? They may be lying kids. So either no access (safer) or strict age checks involving checking licenses and stuff. But that’s expensive. No Utah is easier.

How do you know they’re in Utah? IP addresses. Blocks people outside Utah? Sorry, our lawyers made us do this. Complain to your reps that Utah is messing with your state’s citizens. VPNs? Maybe gotta block that too.

Utah is not a big state. The social networks could easily use this to try to “teach a lesson”. Just say you’ll let Utahans back in when their government makes a foolproof age verification system.

And wait.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the intent of the law, it just seems unenforceable/unimplementable, as usual. No benefit to the social networks but huge legal downsides.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by syklep »

taylodl wrote: post #18
paxys wrote: post #16

Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.

Software Developer is the most common job in Utah, it's kind of surprising this happened despite that.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by meghan_rain »

MBCook wrote: post #26
taylodl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.

Honestly this seems like the best idea. You can’t get accused of letting a kid access outside approved hours if you don’t allow people in Utah on. What about adults? They may be lying kids. So either no access (safer) or strict age checks involving checking licenses and stuff. But that’s expensive. No Utah is easier. How do you know they’re in Utah? IP addresses. Blocks people outside Utah? Sorry, our lawyers made us…

Lmao imagine Utah becoming the most mentally healthy region on earth, suicide rates plummeting, productivity up 300%, people spending time with parents and grandparents again? record sign ups in sports clubs, record birth rates etc.

Be careful what you wish for ;-)

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by paxys »

meghan_rain wrote: post #28
MBCook wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly this seems like the best idea. You can’t get accused of letting a kid access outside approved hours if you don’t allow people in Utah on. What about adults? They may be lying kids. So either no access (safer) or strict age checks involving checking licenses and stuff. But that’s expensive. No Utah is easier. How do you know they’re in Utah? IP addresses. Blocks people outside Utah? Sorry, our lawyers made us…

Lmao imagine Utah becoming the most mentally healthy region on earth, suicide rates plummeting, productivity up 300%, people spending time with parents and grandparents again? record sign ups in sports clubs, record birth rates etc. Be careful what you wish for ;-)

If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire. I'd still not like to live in that world.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by capableweb »

jjulius wrote: post #24
capableweb wrote: post #20

Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather. We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I decla…

This has, "If you write in your FB status that FB doesn't have permission to use your pictures as outlined in their ToS (which you already accepted) then they have to comply with your request," vibes.

There was a time when what Barlow wrote spoke to a lot of hackers out in the world. Maybe that's not how the world is today, sadly.
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