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Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by projectazorian »

xyzelement wrote: post #62
projectazorian wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In places like the US where women’s reproductive rights are highly contested, many women don’t take well to men making unsolicited requests about their birth control decisions. Perhaps this isn’t the case everywhere, but this site has a very US-heavy readership so it seems reasonable to have that context be the default.

The person who started this thread was having a conversation with his girlfriend as part of a committed relationship, which seems way more important context than what you think is "contested in the US"

“Every single girlfriend I had, I asked her to get off contraceptives” is the tone of someone who is not interested in conversation and wants control. Bottom line.

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Post by projectazorian »

throwbadubadu wrote: post #61
afavour wrote: post #16

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To be clear: you would never be in any way responsible for problems associated with your partner taking hormonal birth control because it is a choice they make themselves for their own body. > Instead I took responsibility for making sure she wouldn't get pregnant You have to understand what a big statement that is. If she does get pregnant there’s only one person guaranteed to have to deal with the consequences of t…

> If she does get pregnant there’s only one person guaranteed to have to deal with the consequences of that, and that’s her. Don't get that, in most jurisdictions there is an almost guaranteed second one?

No, because even if she chooses to terminate the pregnancy and not tell the other party a thing, she is still guaranteed to have to deal with the consequences of that decision. Or if she miscarries before she even knows she is pregnant, she has to deal with that, it’s not a pleasant experience for anyone. Etc.

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by xyzelement »

projectazorian wrote: post #71
xyzelement wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person who started this thread was having a conversation with his girlfriend as part of a committed relationship, which seems way more important context than what you think is "contested in the US"

“Every single girlfriend I had, I asked her to get off contraceptives” is the tone of someone who is not interested in conversation and wants control. Bottom line.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills. How does the word "ask" imply control? They can say no.

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

twawaaay wrote: post #18

In general any type of hormonal anything is probably dangerous. Endocrine system is incredibly complex and connected in many different, mostly unknown ways. And contraceptives play with hormones that are central to what makes women women. These hormones are not just limited to regulating when eggs are released from ovaries, they take part in a lot of other processes. It is absolutely not surprising then that there wi…

> In general any type of hormonal anything is probably dangerous. Endocrine system is incredibly complex and connected in many different, mostly unknown ways.

By that logic sugar should be a controlled substance and we should all be gonadectimized. Gonadectimized animals almost always live longer.

> And contraceptives play with hormones that are central to what makes women women.

Weirdly estrogen in utero is central to what makes male mice male mice, and adult men adult men (20–55 pg/mL estradiol in adult men or about 1/10th the level of adult women). Estradiol plays many important roles in the body of all human adults.

> These hormones are not just limited to regulating when eggs are released from ovaries, they take part in a lot of other processes. It is absolutely not surprising then that there will be other effects of long term hormonal supplementation.

> I think the best course of action would be to work on other, non-hormonal contraceptive alternatives.

Maybe, maybe not, since chronic use of any medication will result in chronic side effects and physical interventions such as copper IUDs are also associated with a host of serious side effects. The best course of action would be to develop interventions that are safe in animal models, give them to humans for a while, and monitor the outcomes, which is what is going on here.

I'm surprised that the outcomes observed aren't worse, given how strongly carcinogenic estrogens are on a dose-dependent basis in animal models. Hormones are strange. Women with many children have reduced amounts of breast cancer despite being exposed to absolutely enormous levels of estrogens and progesterone during and after pregnancy.

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Post by jawns »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #7

After I had the kids I wanted, I got a vasectomy. It’s a painless and quick and largely reversible procedure with no side effects and offers 100% contraception. If you care about your partner and are “done,” I highly recommend it.

Not quite 100%.

> The early failure rate of vasectomy (presence of motile sperm in the ejaculate at 3–6 months post-vasectomy) is in the range of 0.3–9% and the late failure rate is in the range of 0.04–0.08%.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5110415/

8 out of 10,000 men is still a very low failure rate, although keep in mind that typically failure rates for contraceptives/sterilization are per annum.

So if you get a vasectomy with a 0.08% failure rate and then have sex for 30 years ... 0.08% * 30 = 2.4%.

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Post by unvx-n-banned »

NineStarPoint wrote: post #67
lockhouse wrote: post #57

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I’m curious if hormonal transgender treatments will have similar long term effects.

It probably will yes. But it’s also measured against the heavily increased suicide risk of trans people who aren’t able to transition.

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Post by shawnz »

xyzelement wrote: post #73
projectazorian wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Every single girlfriend I had, I asked her to get off contraceptives” is the tone of someone who is not interested in conversation and wants control. Bottom line.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills. How does the word "ask" imply control? They can say no.

When your boss asks you to take a ticket, when a parent asks their son to clean their room, when a cop asks a citizen to identify themselves, you don't think those situations imply control? When a romantic partner asks you to change the drugs you are taking, don't you think there is some implication that their satisfaction with the relationship is contingent on it? Maybe we are getting too into the semantics here but I think it's pretty overbearing to make such a request and position it as anything more than a suggestion.

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

warent wrote: post #27
practice9 wrote: post #20

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> Maybe it's all about context, I'm not sure +100 For everyone the circumstances and relationship dynamics are different. And it's kind of disheartening to read a well-intentioned comment, see people assuming their own completely different context and then getting slightly aggressive about it.

It's only disheartening to me because woman live in a society where men perpetually behave like we know what's best for them. What you're reading as aggression, I'm reading as a reasonable response to a perfectly plausible alternative interpretation, which is that he knows what's best for his girlfriends better than they do for themselves. So many men have this corrupt mode of thinking that there is now an entire US…

> a perfectly plausible alternative interpretation, which is that he knows what's best for his girlfriends better than they do for themselves.

We are literally commenting on the article confirming using hormonal contraceptives increases the risk of cancer. So if your partner is using these you basically have two options: 1) ignore the issue and maybe not even mention it to her as this could be misinterpreted as influencing her decision, 2) address it out of pure concern for her future, even years ahead when you're no longer together.

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Post by ghqst »

jolux wrote: post #66
lockhouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious if hormonal transgender treatments will have similar long term effects.

It’s already suspected though not proven (as far as I know) that estradiol increases breast cancer risk, but I imagine most of that is because it encourages significant breast tissue growth.

If I remember correctly this is at high dosages, so it should be much safer in a normal dosage used for hrt.

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Post by justinator »

emodendroket wrote: post #68
justinator wrote: post #51

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Birth control is sometimes prescribed to help with heavy period flow, which could be a symptom of a much worst issue (endometriosis). But birth control is also prescribed to help control acne, which in my humble, unprofessional opinion is not a good use, and the risks far outweigh the benefit. Weight loss is another reason it's prescribed. These sorts of off-label perscription for a hormone are not... great IMHO. Are…

It also is used to help with irregularities associated with periods. Seems like sidestepping the issue to say there are other acne remedies.

>Seems like sidestepping the issue to say there are other acne remedies.

My opinion is that estrogen hormone therapy is not the best course of action for acne and is prescribed far too much.

I literally do not know what your beef is with my opinion, since you do not state yours, you just write in weird, obtuse statements, which is common on hn in, I would assume, an attempt to look smart on a subject, in which you are not. See also: contrarianism.

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