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Post by pferde »

mkaic wrote: post #308
pferde wrote: post #258

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Maybe it's time to start differentiating between artificial intelligence and artificial consciousness? Surely I can't be the first one to think of this...

I agree with the sentiment, but I also don't think such differentiation is possible, because we have no testable definition of consciousness. I genuinely look forward to the day we discover/understand the physical processes underlying our own consciousness, and how to detect/disprove it in machines, but until then... it's unfortunately unfalsifiable.

Sure, but for now, we can have a crude differentiation between an AI - a tool which has to be given an objective to work towards, and an "AC" - an entity (an intentionally vague noun) which can devise its own objectives and motivations and work toward them.

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Post by roguas »

aprinsen wrote: post #687
scandox wrote: post #651

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I'm talking about people behind counters, people in stock rooms, people in all kinds of data entry and so on. The terminal did vanish from many places. We're not the market.

I worked at a paint store in my teens (2010s) that operated a beautiful text only PoS system that had been built decades ago and it was incredible. So efficient, purpose built, nary a click.

Yeah and owner would have to have SWE on payroll to continue having it working. It's why people migrated to a more general, albeit sometimes also more confusing apps/platforms.

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Post by bombela »

CoolCold wrote: post #758
bombela wrote: post #385

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It's free and electron because they can run it in a web browser, running everything on MS Azure. With code on GitHub and CI on GitHub etc etc. The whole dev experience offered to companies as a service via a series of web applications. Companies will love this. Just get any web browser, preferably Microsoft Edge on a Microsoft Window Pro on a Microsoft Surface laptop. Open Microsoft GitHub workspace. To dev for your…

Why poor little Linux? Those got what they wanted. No gloomy project managers above you, just write the code you like, express yourself? Check No telemetry to know what average Joe The Normie uses and wants? Check No spending time on meetings and plannings, boring strategy discussions, just do a bit of here and there what your soul wants today? Check Love to tinker and customize your setup without leaving a chance fo…

Because the linux desktop is forbidden at many tech companies nowadays, for the very reasons you wrote!

At a company I worked, overtime they wanted everybody on Mac or Windows. No code locally, only ssh onto a Linux VM. When you argue you can also ssh from Linux, the response is: we cannot run the spywares on Linux.

Sure you can change job. But I have noticed the trend all over among my circle of friends.

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Post by lahwran »

tough wrote: post #655
smcleod wrote: post #596

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I really like copilot, I've used it every day since it was in a closed alpha. Copilot voice however - is hilariously terrible in comparison.

talonvoice.com was developed by a develoepr that needed himself to use the AI voice to code tech

I use talon regularly and in fact had it active while browsing hacker news. this comment is written and submitted with talon!

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Post by aprinsen »

roguas wrote: post #762
aprinsen wrote: post #687

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I worked at a paint store in my teens (2010s) that operated a beautiful text only PoS system that had been built decades ago and it was incredible. So efficient, purpose built, nary a click.

Yeah and owner would have to have SWE on payroll to continue having it working. It's why people migrated to a more general, albeit sometimes also more confusing apps/platforms.

It was a chain (Sherwin Williams), so I assume they could afford an in house dev team.

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Post by CoolCold »

dathinab wrote: post #696
trympet wrote: post #684

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> lock down of PC software to the Microsoft app store, probably roughly at the same time apple also tightens a lock down on macOS Nothing is locked down. UWP and win32 are funcionally equivalent with sparse registration. If you decide to publish to the store anyways, you can even use your own payment provider and keep 100% comission. > more anti competitive steps to make installing desktop Linux on consumer hardware…

it's not about what is done now, it's a response to the parents comment of "what will happen if microsoft becomes much more powerfull and market dominant again" i.e. it's all hypothetical speculations about the future under a given assumption of development which might never happen > Linux desktop apps more accessible than ever. yes but it also removed the need to use Linux and could be extended with features Linux d…

> yes but it also removed the need to use Linux

And is it a problem for user? Or anyhow a bad thing? Why not advocate for FreeBSD for example?

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Post by jjeaff »

Terretta wrote: post #557
jjeaff wrote: post #541

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$99 plus 15-30% of everything you create.

Try selling through Amazon.com and see what % you keep. Then try selling through a grocery or drugstore chain.

Sure, but I don't have to sell on Amazon. I can sell through my own website and just pay transaction fees if I want. And many companies do just that now.

But good luck trying to sell your new iphone app through your own website.

At least with android, you could sell an APK download or sell through a different app store.

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Post by Breza »

brookst wrote: post #639
whimsicalism wrote: post #565

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The difference being I can always walk to a different grocery store without having to pay ~$1k.

As a brand, do you get more value from being on Amazon or in a local grocery store?

There's still more competition in the retail space and greater ability to sell across multiple stores simultaneously.

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Post by tomaskafka »

brundolf wrote: post #717
drdrek wrote: post #167

I would love to hear from other people here but I tried it for a while and dropped my subscription. For short things it was nice, but the larger the suggestion the worst it got. I found myself constantly mentally debugging the output it suggested, I do not know if it was faster but I was mentally exhausted by it, unable to go for long periods of time. Dumb code completion is predictable, I know I'll need to press dow…

I haven't tried it yet, but this was how I assumed I would feel Something I'm actually more optimistic/curious about is the potential for code analysis , like an advanced linter. "Tell me if you think you see any bugs in this code." That's something I would totally use even as an experienced programmer working in an older, slow-going codebase (maybe especially in those)

That's exactly what I'm waiting for, either with Copilot X, or GPT4 32k API access.

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Post by Rapzid »

drdrek wrote: post #167

I would love to hear from other people here but I tried it for a while and dropped my subscription. For short things it was nice, but the larger the suggestion the worst it got. I found myself constantly mentally debugging the output it suggested, I do not know if it was faster but I was mentally exhausted by it, unable to go for long periods of time. Dumb code completion is predictable, I know I'll need to press dow…

Late reply but in the same boat with VSCode. God help anyone not using a typed language to help more easily catch copilot's BS; it regularly just makes up method and interfaces that don't exist.

It interferes too much with the standard autocomplete/intellisense. I want to use copilot in an on-demand fashion for help with libs I'm not familiar with and scaffolding, but the team seems dead-set on having it always on and in your face; no settings to swap around the default for normal autocomplete.

Maybe I can try toggling it on and off more aggressively. Perhaps Copilot-X's prompt will be more useful for me. IDK but the experience is disappointing especially compared to the potential.

Edit: Also I alluded to this but it's just plane wrong a lot. So the inline suggestions are like 75% wrong and I'm fighting to get my autocomplete to show up instead.

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