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Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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"shoot them from quads" Can you elaborate? I'm only aware of the traditional helicopters.

ATVs, something like this https://www.amazon.com/X-PRO-110cc-Youth-Wheeler-Wheelers/dp... (never buy an ATV from Amazon, obviously)

never buy an ATV from Amazon, obviously

But sir, it says "SMART DEALS NOW". Are you sure one shouldn't buy?

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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how do you downvote on HN?

You need to have more karma points. I don’t remember the exact number, but I think it’s either 50 or 500.

500. Downvote button I think is available for first few hours of comment.

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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Gamey me I can handle. But parasites? Count me out.

“Regular” pork has parasites too, that’s why you wanna cook it to the “safe” temperature.

The USDA inspects for parasites and rejects any animals that have signs of them. Very little US farmed pork has parasites.

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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> But isn't that true of most any game meat? Most so-called "gamey" meat is down to poor handling of the meat. Hogs are an exception... uncastrated males do taste bad to many people.

I always thought gamey was from high activity of the muscles. Farmed animals certainly don’t run around forests fending for themselves

I always thought gamey was from high activity of the muscles

An animal's diet affects its flavour. Eating all manner of random foods, makes partially the gamey flavour.

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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Gamey me I can handle. But parasites? Count me out.

“Regular” pork has parasites too, that’s why you wanna cook it to the “safe” temperature.

Not really. Compared to the number of domestic pigs, parasite infections (like the deadly for humans Trichinellosis) are almost inexistent.

And domestic pig meat is tested for parasites nevertheless.

With all that I feel uneasy eating raw meat, although salami and prosciutto are very tasty and sometimes I submit to temptation. Feel like running the Russian roulette everytime although the probability of an actual parasite infestation is extremely low.

Wild pigs would probably be okay if processed into I dunno, pasteurized canned meat. If that's guaranteed to kill parasites it should be okay for human consumption provided the meat is tested before nevertheless.

One thing I'm thinking of is this problem: as far as I know testing the meat is a slow, manual process, where a human is required to take slices of the meat and check them under a microscope. Therefore it's only done on a statistical basis. That's enough for farm pigs, if a pig from a larger culture is parasite free, chances are very high that all are parasite free.

But this is not possible for wild boars. Every pig they shot needs to be tested coze you never know otherwise. This is again feasible for the occasional hunt (here at least). Hunters will send a probe to the lab before consuming the pig and that's doable because it's like ... one or a few pigs. Not really possible if you massacre 1000 of them.

So unless some technology is developed for automating this testing procedure, you can't safely eat the meat of a wild boar mass slaughter.

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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(Assuming you mean a small drone a citizen could be licensed to operate): Do drones have the ability to stabilize the recoil from a gun powerful enough to kill a pig? You could certainly air drop explosives on them but that connotes serious risk to the environment and extremely inhumane injury or death to the pigs. I wonder if some kind of dart could be used to euthanize them, though it would likely cost more than bu…

>(Assuming you mean a small drone a citizen could be licensed to operate): Do drones have the ability to stabilize the recoil from a gun powerful enough to kill a pig? The FAA defines drones as being up to 55lbs, so yes. Most of the off-the-shelf octocopter cinema drones could probably handle an appropriate firearm with some minimal modifications. Now, whether the FAA and ATF will throw a tantrum over a remote contro…

> whether the FAA and ATF will throw a tantrum over a remote control weapons platform like that

I Am Not A Lawyer, and attempting to build an armed drone without the advice of one one will probably earn you an ATF raid with your dog shot, your spouse sniped, you arrested, your house burned down, a cabinet appointment for the raid leader, and you put on national news with the option for a Netflix documentary 20 years later.

The FAA has a regulation prohibiting the operation of "Dangerous Weapons" attached drones without prior approval [0], so that's your first and biggest hurdle.

A servo-actuated trigger is likely going to get deemed a "machine gun" by the ATF, as it's one firmware tweak (or bug) away from firing more than once per "trigger pull" by the human user. Now if you were to become an NFA firearms manufacturer (Type 07 FFL+Class 2 SOT) you would be manufacturing, demonstrating (remember that FAA approval) and selling hog hunting drones officially.

To reiterate: Do not even think about doing this without actual legal counsel.

[0] https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/drones-and-weapons-dangerous-mi...

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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The solution is to eat them. It's humane and it's free range pork. Let rural butchers test and certify the meat and sell it to local restaurants as a super premium product, then leverage the now all electronic game tag system for supply chain management. The only thing standing in the way of solving the feral pig problem is the attitudes of the urban governing class toward people capable of hunting and our histrionic…

> The solution is to eat them.

To quote a certain president: sounds good, doesn't work.

Over here in Poland despite having open season for boars all year round and eliminating 185k specimens due to ASF a few years ago there are still a lot of them.

The meat is great - leaner than pork and gamey, but it's also expensive - 2-4x more than pork.

I mean, they disrupt ecosystems with their omnivoracity and propensity to multiply at a high rate so their population should be regulated, but you can't really compete on price with factory farming.

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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“Regular” pork has parasites too, that’s why you wanna cook it to the “safe” temperature.

The USDA inspects for parasites and rejects any animals that have signs of them. Very little US farmed pork has parasites.

I think this is also the case for salmon? First time I had wild salmon at home, I was... rather surprised by the number of parasites on it.

It really is impressive how well farmed meat does at keeping that out. I don't think many of us have any sort of intuition for just how parasite ridden food was even a half century ago.

Re: Researchers are trying to mitigate the spread of wild pigs in Canada

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selling wild game appears to be illegal in Canada like it is in the US. Ostensibly the reason is because of risk of illness but it's likely also due to lobbying by farmers. I think there's a solution staring at us in the face here

I mean, I have no doubt there is some regulatory capture going on here. That said, this is also the kind of regulation that was written in lives lost. Wild game can be done safely, sure. But typically not at large, and best to let the folks taking the risk be the ones eating it. That is, it works now because there is no incentive to just at mass capture any feral/wild animal that you can, butcher it, and sell it. As soon as that incentive does exist, expect lots of problems.
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